LOST *spoilers*

Yes, I definitely think this part could be true.


I can see this; perhaps he is a combination of personalities, including Locke. I read a theory though that maybe Smokey is the protector and Jacob is an overseer, I guess the referee in a sense. I dunno, just throwing this out there.


I think Smokey could have existed before, and the mother certainly acted like Smokey would, manipulating people and such, but she didn't really want to get off the Island, so maybe that wasn't incorporated until MiB became a part of Smokey. Also, I think this timeline is different because it will spell the definite end of Smokey, perhaps through Desmond and/or Jack.

I personally think the Mother just had the powers of the "Protector," if you will - Jacob has the power to work fate to bring people to the Island and has the ability to grant special immunities to people, so who's to say the Protector doesn't have any offensive powers? Jacob wasn't very confrontational, so we may have just never seen him attack someone using those abilities.

Or she could've just been like the Others in the early seasons - she may have just burned the tents with the people still sleeping inside and then picked off any survivors from afar, with a bow or something.

Wow.

That episode was amazing. I loved the Team Richard interactions, and seeing them return was great.

Ben's back to his old self, sort of - he seems to be back with MiB now.

Not sure what happened to Richard - it's like with Frank in The Candidate, I have no clue if he's dead or not.

I love how Miles, who almost seems like he shouldn't even be here anymore, is the only survivor of the Barracks massacre back there besides Ben.

The Jacob and Team Jack interactions were nice as well. "It's just a line of chalk" made my day.

Yessss. It always had to be Jack. It's nice seeing him find his place, just like Locke said.

I really think Frank and Richard are still alive. Richard for sure. Ben is back to his crafty ways which I dont trust. I think he's scamming the Smoke Monster while also getting a little revenge out of the way. Also, he could have killed Widmore so the Smoke Monster wouldn't to get his information.

What's this about Desmond being a failsafe? I'm guessing this means he can go into the shiny hole. And it looks like the Smoke Monster isn't looking for a direct way off the island just yet. He needs the bright light's power to get off the island.

Sunday!

disappointing finale

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Yeah, I thought the finale was awesome.

How was it disappointing? The only thing that really disappointed me was Walt and Mr. Eko not showing up, and I heard Eko's actor asked for too much money to come back.

All of the side flashes dont matter. Like, at all. And what kind of place was it? I find it incredibly lame that purgatory/"the place they create for themselves" before "moving on" can suck so badly. They can get injured, have near death experiences, or in Kearney's case even die? What the heck? What kind of place is it where Charlie goes back to drugs again after quitting on the island? Why would he create his existence in that way?

Also, every character's story that happened was devaluated. Jack's son? Never existed.
Every event that happened lacked any meaning. Jin, as far as the show goes, could not have died. He was never in any danger because he was already dead.

Boo! All the side flashes should have been removed from the season and dedicated to more island time.

I thought the sideways universe was the Losties' form of handling their problems from the island and whatnot.

I also like to think that Sayid shot Keamy and his cronies straight to hell.

Yeah, that's what they intended for the sideways universe. But they presented in such a different light just to fool us, and so I kinda feel betrayed (the Island underwater, Desmond's flashing, etc.). What if they hadn't spent the whole season showing the flash sideways, and had just done the "purgatory" scenes after the course of the show? Everyone would have called it out at being terrible. All in all, it's the people that cared about the character relationships that liked that ending and the people that cared about the mysteries and plot that didn't. I cared about both, and wished that they could have tended to both.

Oh, and yeah, I think the Island story was great, but should have been a lot better. Jack should have been able to touch people like Jacob did, and perhaps make a few rules of his own. He was pretty much just himself, and that doesn't really make sense.

I was disappointed at Smokey's death (Kate, really?) too. I really wanted Ben to play a part in it and maybe even die in the process, as revenge for being tricked and as a sort of redemption, though Ben's ending as Hurley's righthand man (the job he always wanted) was pretty great too. Kate killing him with a one-liner that was set up in the same episode was kind of anti-climatic, though at least she finally did something of worth...

And btw, Smokey lost his powers because they were fueled by the Light. No light = no powers. I would assume that Jack also lost his powers during the period, if he had any.

I think it would have taken quite a while to show all the reunions and problem fixing, that it might have taken a whole episode to do so. If that's what they intended on doing, it might be best to spread it out than to devote nearly the whole episode to it. But otherwise, I agree.


Maybe he wasn't really able to get off without destroying it, at least while he has the power. I think while the light was on, he was bound to the "rules", and by getting rid of it, he could finally escape, which is what he actually wanted, not the power.



I took it as Ben just scheming to stay alive. When Smokey said he would destroy the Island though, he might have realized that by helping Smokey and saving his own life, he might help destroy the thing he loved. I suppose it was fitting for him to end as a helper, but I liked Ben's character so much more, even if it was not intended as such. I wanted him to redeem himself by finally backstabbing Smokey and saving the Island.


Oh, I had no problem with someone helping Jack kill Smokey. It was the fact that it was Kate. I mean Kate didn't even want to go back to the Island to save the Island, or even the people on it. She just wanted to help Claire get back to Aaron, and she did that, so her purpose was fulfilled. I think they just wanted to add to the Jack+Kate dynamic, which wasn't that great anyways. I feel Ben (his love for the Island) or Richard (maybe dying in the process which could never happen before) or Desmond (the "failsafe", and the fact that he was wrong about the Island plug) or even Sawyer (the conman looking out for the Island than himself) would have fit better than Kate. And the fact that she just hits him with one bullet without even aiming whilst spewing a one-liner. I guess the only thing that reconciles this is her vengeance for Jin & Sun's death.