Puppyduck
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Post by Puppyduck on Oct 3, 2009 1:03:21 GMT -6
Well there are quite a number of people who do that so I figured it would exist but meh.
And I've never actually seen or read any Death Note, but I know what it's about.
And I just thought of another role:Miracle Worker (Town Aligned)
Each night, you can perform a 'miracle' on someone, which will have a random Ouendan, Watcher or Doctor effect.
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Post by monstrman on Dec 1, 2009 19:10:44 GMT -6
I have a couple roles that I posted in IRC, but not here. Anyway, here they are: Denial: Once per game, you may use your action, blocking all other roles that night. Darkness: As long as this player is alive, each other action has a 10% chance of failure. Light: As long as this player is alive, each person has a 10% chance of getting a second action. Mafia Mason - Mafia aligned, but gets put in the mason channel. I had called this one communist, but it seems LMM had already made a communist. At any rate, I think it's just pretty hilarious - Once per game, you may use your ability. That night, any action that targets you simultaneously targets every other player. Gossiper: Creates a rumor about someone once per game. That person must claim the role of the Gossiper's choosing or die (or roleblocked for X days or something along those lines. I don't yet have all the details worked out.) Godfather's Shadow: Any action that would target the Godfather instead targets you. You die instead if the Godfather is lynched. Note: This role is mafia aligned, not mafia. I think this one is just hilarious - Missionary: Gives a person sainthood for a day once each night. Also finds out if that person is jesus or not. If that person is jesus, they form a masonry with that person. Procrastinator: Chooses a target and a day up to two days in the future. All actions that would be performed on that target occur simultaneously on that day. Note: Each kill requires a protect. For example: A person who would be killed two times must be protected two times. A couple based on the word bomber: Word Protector - First two people to say the word are protected that night. You cannot say the word, if you do, it has no effect on you. You cannot tell people what the word is. Word Silencer - Anyone who says the word is silenced. I also made some post restriction roles Submissive - You must agree with the person who posted before you, even if it conflicts with something you've said before. You cannot vote first. You must vote for whoever the first person voted for. I think this one might be TOO rough, but I don't see how it would make sense otherwise. Vow Of Silence: Cannot speak. Can vote and FoS. Twice per game may choose a person. That night, that person and only that person may perform an action.
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Post by fronzkofko on Dec 1, 2009 19:42:40 GMT -6
Mafia mason is not a particularly new role. Sometimes, when people are masons, they're told they're 'mod-confirmed' masons, which means they know they're both towns. Otherwise, if they're not confirmed, they may or may not be both town or one of them may be mafia.
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Post by monstrman on Dec 1, 2009 19:43:54 GMT -6
Well it's new to me
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Post by Erniewan on Dec 1, 2009 20:07:56 GMT -6
Hehe, in Nintendo Mafia, Mario (Hellfire) was Mafia and Luigi (EBPS) was Town, and they were "masons", which really only meant they could talk to each other. It was hilarious to watch as Hellfire convinced EBPS to do stuff.
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Post by fronzkofko on Dec 1, 2009 20:11:07 GMT -6
Just an idea: Instead of posting new role ideas in the 'Mafia Theory' thread, why not post about how to find scum/posting strategies? New roles are fun and all, but Mafia, at its heart, is about finding the liars - People who are acting strangely, and not in the best interest of the town. Shouldn't this thead instead be about how to find Mafia? The focus should be less on night actions, and more about the way someone posts. (disclaimer: this sound elitist but I promise I'm not being that at all) A few quick pointers: You should usually vote someone after you make a case on them. No need to be stingy with your votes. If you think someone is Mafia, vote them! You can unvote later if you think you're wrong. Don't make a big case and not stick to it - that's mafia-like behavior, because they looove to have a way out if they lynch town. 'Hey, I was unsure! I didn't put my vote down right away.' Go ahead and use the votes - they're your only power! Being wishy-washy is usually a pretty scummy way to act. If you post a case, stick to it. Don't look at someone's posts and figure that they're scum only to go 'oh wait nvm' when a few people don't buy your case immediately. Stick with it, and keep pushing it. Don't bandwagon. If you're going to vote someone, at least make your own reason for it. If someone's Mafia, they've probably slipped up a lot. I'm sure you can get your own reasons instead of just saying 'this. vote: fronzkofko'. Be glad to vote, but don't just vote because someone else has! That's opportunistic, and the mafia are big fans of voting someone just because other people are. On that note, it is absolutely vital to go back and read the old posts! Instead of saying 'I've got a vibe that commonyoshi is mafia', go back and get some solid evidence. Mafia is a game of words - if someone uses words that out themselves as Mafia, don't just let it pass by - by reading the old topics, especially in light of new events and interactions, you find the Mafia. Read up, find scum, read again and again and again. And then make a case! If you're scum, do NOT be afraid to do a case on your buddy. Has Erniewan been playing recklessly? Be the first one to make a case on him! Throw him under the bus. By making a case on your scumbuddy, and catching scum before anyone else, you look townie. Do this only if your other player is acting scummy - there's power in numbers, but not if the other numbers are hurting the odds of your winning.
Have fun~
EDIT: Forgot to mention. Flavor arguments. 'Mario has to be town!'. That's a terrible argument. Do not use flavor arguments ever. You can't read the mod's mind; you don't know how his game works. When you post flavor arguments, you're setting yourself up to lose - Mario might be scum (see above), Luigi might be a cop (not from above), you never know. Mods are strange creatures. Don't trust that they'll act the way you think they will.
Have even more fun~
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Post by NPR on Dec 1, 2009 20:11:36 GMT -6
i still hate him for that.
lol j/k
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Squeege
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Post by Squeege on Mar 12, 2011 13:00:31 GMT -6
Even though Fronz hasn't been here in a while, everything he says there is good advice. The only things I would tweak slightly is that sometimes bandwagoning is ok if you don't have time to make a case of your own, as long as you acknowledge that it's slightly scummy, and flavor arguments aren't 100% useless (They should never be relied on as the basis of a case though; if someone's acting scummy but claims Mario, they're still probably scum).
Anyway, What is happening with the "On Hiatus" games? Are there any plans to revive them? If not, then maybe the mods should just reveal all of the roles so that we can talk about those games.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 5, 2011 1:19:31 GMT -6
This was a fun 3 AM read. And now I want to use all these roles and restrictions. and be all them. I had a thought about the Washing Machine. Instead of reverting mafia to town/town to dead, what if it worked as a vanillarizer? Or is there already a role like that?
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Post by monstrman on Oct 5, 2011 1:33:43 GMT -6
lol. And if it happens first:
Night 0, target detective.
Detective receives no results and becomes vanilla townie.
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Post by Captain Planet on Oct 5, 2011 8:29:37 GMT -6
I present to you...
The One-Man Trolley. Are regular bus drivers not chaotic enough for you? The this role is right up your alley!
The One-Man Trolley chooses a target, and the person Two/One names above/below (Host's choice) are swapped. So not even the Trolley man knows what's going to happen! There is also a Two-Man Trolley which is basically the same thing, only the Trolley people each select a target and they are swapped with each other.
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Post by LordManiMani on Oct 26, 2011 9:08:24 GMT -6
As a tie in to my rant on the metagame, I think that in future games there should be either a serious 'buff' to the town's voting power or a threat to buff the power of the mafia when the town doesn't act during the day, rather than total reliance on the use of night actions. Things pick up late in the game, certainly, but seeing so many lynches go un-carried out in so many games.
Related overpowered role idea: Excited Lever-Puller (Mafia/Independent) If during the previous day period the town came within X votes of a lynch, you may 'pull the lever' and execute that player who would have been lynched. If a mafia role, this does not count as the mafia's nightkill.
Possibly X would increase or decrease based on the amount of time since a successful lynch.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 26, 2011 9:16:17 GMT -6
I recently took my communist role and made it usable
Communist - Each night may target a player. That player joins a commune with the Communist.
If at any point, any action is to target the communist, it simultaneously targets any player he is in a commune with,
That way, one night kill doesn't end the game in a tie (though it would be lulzy)
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 26, 2011 16:41:15 GMT -6
I like that role, LMM.
However, if they were mafia-aligned and a mafiat was almost lynched, they wouldn't pull the lever...so I'd suggest Indy/town.
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Squeege
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Post by Squeege on Dec 19, 2011 23:12:07 GMT -6
I had a thought about the Washing Machine. Instead of reverting mafia to town/town to dead, what if it worked as a vanillarizer? Or is there already a role like that? Seen it before, although it also disabled the mafia kill ability (which was overpowered). I haven't seen it in any other games though, and I'm not sure why.... Related overpowered role idea: Excited Lever-Puller (Mafia/Independent) If during the previous day period the town came within X votes of a lynch, you may 'pull the lever' and execute that player who would have been lynched. If a mafia role, this does not count as the mafia's nightkill. Possibly X would increase or decrease based on the amount of time since a successful lynch. Like it, although I agree with Kat that it might make more sense as a townie. Kinda cool, but could be broken. I guess it depends on what other roles are in the game, but with a doctor/detective, that could be a lot of unkillable confirmed players late in the game. I like the idea though... maybe make it 1-shot and make them masons too, so it's like a recruiting mason type thing? I dunno.
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Post by NPR on Dec 19, 2011 23:13:11 GMT -6
Whoa, there you are squeege!
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Post by Squeege on Dec 19, 2011 23:28:02 GMT -6
Yeah... sorry about disappearing on everyone. School got too busy, and I was sorta burned out from mafia.
I haven't looked at Motivation Mafia in a while, but I think I just need to write the pms. Still, it's probably better if someone else launches the next game; I dunno if I'll have the time or the drive to finish it with the holidays and stuff.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Dec 20, 2011 0:43:46 GMT -6
wow! Welcome back Squeege!
Also the thing with the Communist is that it can recruit any player, not just town. And the wincons remain the same. Which I guess helps balance it in games with non-maf killing roles.
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Post by Squeege on Dec 20, 2011 22:34:01 GMT -6
wow! Welcome back Squeege! Also the thing with the Communist is that it can recruit any player, not just town. And the wincons remain the same. Which I guess helps balance it in games with non-maf killing roles. Thanks! I understood that with the Communist, it's just that combined with a det, it can get a lot of free investigations in one night. It's somewhat balanced by how the mafia can kill them all in one shot, but if you have a doctor protecting them all too, it may be impossible for them to kill them until the doc is killed. Although I guess you could give the scum a hitman.... It just seems a bit swingy, that's all.
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Post by monstrman on Dec 28, 2011 19:51:29 GMT -6
solved with a single mafia roleblocker.
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Puppyduck
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Post by Puppyduck on Dec 28, 2011 23:23:50 GMT -6
The problem with the role is that it's very easy for it to give one side an overpowering advantage. Also makes infinite actions easier.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jul 26, 2012 18:51:03 GMT -6
I guess here is as good a place as any to talk about this. What do you guys think about hydras?
Basically how hydras work is two or more people act as one player slot. They have one account, one role, one vote, and die as one player.
I personally like the concept, particularly if they sign their posts (like say if me and monstrman were in a hydra (named Totes McGoats), I'd sign my posts as Kat so you'd still know it was me.)
Of course, with this site as small as it is, hydras aren't really all that realistic unless it's a mini.
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Post by Erniewan on Jul 26, 2012 19:28:52 GMT -6
Yeah, hydras aren't really realistic on this site but I'd be willing to do one on another site or if we had enough people somehow.
I don't think they should sign their posts, I think it's better if they flow together and people think of them as one. That way it's not like two masons, but two minds forming a super player.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jul 26, 2012 19:46:27 GMT -6
during signups for MvC mafia I asked SK about it and he said no... The next game I'm running is for 7 players, and I think we might have enough to allow for one hydra.
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Post by Squeege on Jul 26, 2012 20:03:26 GMT -6
I guess here is as good a place as any to talk about this. What do you guys think about hydras? yesplz.jpg Always wanted to play in a hydra game. If it makes it easier, I know I could convince my brother to hydra with me.
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