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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 6, 2013 22:31:19 GMT -6
EBWOP- require subject: On Hellfire
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 6, 2013 22:44:29 GMT -6
oh @malick: What do you think of Kira/me? Leave flavor out of it.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 7, 2013 11:49:13 GMT -6
I want to look at something else but its too late tonight so I'll look at it tomorrow morning and see if there's anything I can find regarding it. It probably will not change my vote, but it might at least lead to a little more discussion. What I was thinking about (and mentioned I was going to look at) was the intent Soft's posts. She has definitely trying to promote discussion. I had thought that was where her activity ended. I thought there wasn't a real focus on finding mafia members as much as just posing question, but not necessarily voicing suspicions or defending people. As a townie, you want to see what people think, but also try to make accusations and see how people respond. Looking over the posts though, there is some kind of intent in her posts though. A lot of her posts are about trying to generate a response, but there are a couple that don't seem like she was just trying to go where the town was taking her (her post on Day 2 defending Malick). If you go through her posts, you'll see there were questions posed and discussion promoted. But there was not much affirmation in her posts about who she thought was mafia or town - which is a general mafia tactic to stay out of the spotlight on a mislynch or a good lynch for that matter (or at least I think so). But I didn't really press too much about it because there was not much activity so it was hard to get a real read on anyone really so you could not really blame her. I did mention that it was something to be considered later on though. Here, on Day 2 with one scum flipped, you suggest that both Kira (now me) AND malick are scum. This is impossible. 3 scum in 8 players just does not work. And don't say you were thinking only Kira (me) are scum (or just malick, for that matter). You said FELLOW. Implying BOTH. Not to mention that you made this post after deciding malick read town. Additionally, it contradicts your malick-town read in the same post. Seems like you're referring to this part below. But it does have me a little confused. Monstrman: Town. Malick: Town. Softguitar: Probable town. But I would be careful here just because as much as her posts have been for more discussion, there hasn't been a firm accusation or defense on her part. Might just be uncertainty because we're still just on Day 2. Might be mafia trying to follow the town and keep lynch options open Kat: Possible town. Not much to really go off here. Kira's defense on the first day seemed very uncharacteristic of him. Could have been help from a fellow mafioso? Also, his is a much weaker point, but something to consider. Ernie chose to replace Kira before LMM. In my opinion, LMM was more inactive and less likely to show up anytime soon. So why replace Kira? I don't think this should be stressed as strongly, but I guess its something to consider. LMM: Probable mafia I clearly say Malick as only town. From when I said I thought Malick was town, I have not changed my opinion of him. I did say fellow - but I think I clearly referred to Day 1. It was in defense to Malick's random/joke vote on him. At that point, Quads was still alive. I think most of you have played with Kira before and you have seen how he responds to stuff (whether he is townie or mafia). That is why all of us were surprised by his response. I really think it could have been help from someone else and since only the mafia can talk to each other, it would have been Quads. Also also, you say you "tried [making a case] with LMM" and you really didn't, you just did PoE. This grinds my gears because I at least read his (few) posts and explained why I thought they were scummy. I was wrong, but I tried. This is going to sound stupid because I started his lynch. But it seem you think my vote was purely based on PoE. I was based on PoE to bring it you to Kira/Kat and LMM. After that, I looked at the posts and went with LMM instead. But if you say your vote was purely based on his posts, he had his three posts. There really isn't much there. I did read them before voting and they were the reason I voted him rather than you. I did have a townie vibe from when Kira had first posted at the beginning of Day 1. I read his posts but I did not find it useful to mention it because there was not much there. This is what you had to say about it. LMM- I really think he forgot about this game. That said, the few posts he did make had no content besides a response. Oh, and a non-scum on malick. Yeah, definitely willing to lynch him today. Inactive or no, the posts he did make really stank. vote: LMM How much more reasoning does that really give about why you voted him as compared to what I gave? Monstrman and Malick, go through LMM's posts and see if you find it alone suspicious enough for a vote. Monstrman and Malick, I would ask of you to look through mine and Kat's post and see what you come up with. I have said a few things here and there about why I think she's mafia. But Kira was not active to vote for Quads - so I cannot really bring anything up against him/Kat from Day 1 (other than Kira's response). Kat comes in at the end of Day 2 and says that she thinks that LMM is mafia. Yes, she does give reasons, but you can't exactly join in on a vote without giving a reason of some sort. So you can judge how strong you think her reasoning is. From what I see, those are the main accusations against me, and I get where you're coming from, butif you're that's all you're holding against me, at least take a look at Kat before making a final decision. Sorry about the long post and insane number of quotes.
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Post by Erniewan on Jun 9, 2013 19:32:43 GMT -6
Vote Count:Voted | # | Voters | Hellfire | 1
| monstrman, Malick
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Not voting: Kat, monstrman, Hellfire With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The Day will end when a majority is reached, or Tuesday, June 11th @ 8pm, whichever comes first.
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Post by monstrman on Jun 10, 2013 9:17:47 GMT -6
Okay Hellfire, I'll give you the botd for the moment. It seems as though you really tried with your last post and you definitely are defending yourself as hard as you can, so that does make me a -bit- wary (though you are still my top suspect.)
This is the real question
Do you or do you not think kat is scum? It kind of seems like you were waffing around that idea without actually committing to it.
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Post by monstrman on Jun 10, 2013 9:18:32 GMT -6
^For clarification, if you truly think she is scum why have you not yet voted for her
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 10, 2013 10:46:25 GMT -6
I don't like this at all. I can't find any major issue with Hellfire's response, but you're right- I don't like the waffling either.
Malick, please answer my question. Once you have, I will try to make up my mind. (I still think abstaining is the best play)
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 10, 2013 11:47:56 GMT -6
I am not certain that Kat is scum. I would say I'm about 85-90% certain. I would like to say 100% and show more sternness in my accusations against her, but that's what I did with LMM and obviously that was not the right thing to do. So rather than exaggerating and potentially costing the town the game, I want to see what you'll have to say about her. I don't want to try to affect that. If I were to vote right now, it would be for her. But I think I would rather abstain today and possibly get in more discussion on Day 4. The problem is I think the mafioso probably had to send in the character name of the person they wanted to kill and that's possibly why they didn't kill Monstrman yet? That would mean that if we went into Day 4, chances are that Monstrman would die. And Malick is going through humps of activity and inactivity so I don't know if I would be willing to risk that either.
Also Kat, just out of curiosity, why were you specifically asking Malick about what he thought about you? Monstrman has been focusing on me so I don't think he's really made any comments about you.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 10, 2013 12:32:20 GMT -6
Because his sole argument is that your flavor doesn't match.
I'm starting to wonder, though, if it's one of the other two. I've been tricked by both you AND monstrman, so really I don't trust either of you xD
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 11, 2013 11:33:10 GMT -6
Monstrman, what do you think about Malick and Kat?
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Post by monstrman on Jun 11, 2013 12:21:59 GMT -6
Malick started day one really... oddly. This post in particular I object to any insinuations about my role made thus far. I am in fact an Exploding-Stump if you must know. A few questions since I've been away, does the hydra thing with sqwat just mean they're playing together, or is it part of the game? Also, what is a plurality lynch? Threw me off pretty hard. I have no idea why a townie would want to end a day early. I will give him the benefit of the doubt, because he was trying to end day one shenanigans and find legitimate information, though. I mean to be honest, there isn't a lot of content. He was gone all of day 2, barely showed up day 3 and only voted you, but just purely from the fact that he wanted to end day one shenanigans I have this odd feeling he's town. I mean, his vote on you -was- a case. Maybe it's not an amazing case, but it's not just "I'm just throwing out a vote" I'll get to Kat later cause I'm busy today
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Post by monstrman on Jun 11, 2013 12:22:26 GMT -6
that... is an lmm quote. Let me find the REAL quote
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Post by monstrman on Jun 11, 2013 12:24:05 GMT -6
I believe with two people already voting for kira would be the quickest way to end the day. There are other posts like it, but this one stuck out the most.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 11, 2013 14:47:29 GMT -6
Today's the deadline. So Vote: Abstain. If we're able to get another day in, I think this is worth it. There is a possibility that Malick might have unintentionally dismissed myself and Kat/Kira as suspects wand without him posting much at all since, I do not think I'm ready to vote for Kat yet.
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Post by monstrman on Jun 11, 2013 19:17:31 GMT -6
vote:hellfire
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Post by Erniewan on Jun 11, 2013 19:43:55 GMT -6
Sorry, deadline was @ 8pm. Vote Count:Voted | # | Voters | Hellfire | 1
| monstrman, Malick
| Abstain | 1 | Hellfire |
Not voting: monstrman, Kat This time, since they could not come to a decision in time, the detectives decided to take the rest of the night to rest and regain their faculties. The day had been a confusing one and they seemed to have no clue who Kira was, so they decided instead to initiate an lock protocol to keep them safely in their rooms until the morning. But none of them could really get a good night's sleep; they knew that Kira now had all their names and could pick them off one by one, assuming that was how he killed. They tossed and turned all night, until they were awoken with a huge explosion. Each of the detectives jumped from their beds and though somewhat relieved to be alive, they immediately went out into the hall to see where it had come from. Only one door was still locked - the one where Kat had resided for the night. After a few minutes of ramming the door, they finally knocked it open, only to be met with a bevy of smoke and floating ashes. Coughing, they swept away the fog and saw the still burning remains of Kat. They knew there was no use trying to save her, she had died nearly instantly. They each shook their heads, wiped away their tears and sweat, and began to interrogate each other. For now only three remained and it was their last chance to stop Kira. Kat was Touta Matsuda, Town.It is now Day 4. With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch. The Day will end when a majority is reached, or Tuesday, June 18th @ 8pm, whichever comes first. There will be no plurality lynch.
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Post by monstrman on Jun 11, 2013 19:47:49 GMT -6
vote:hellfire
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 11, 2013 21:51:48 GMT -6
Firstly, to defend myself from the night kill, why would I kill Kat?! So that I could make myself seem more guilty?! I could have killed either Monstrman or Malick and then accused Kat again on Day 4. Now why would someone leave Monstrman alive after he was "confirmed" townie? IF I were mafia and had to pick, he would be the first one I would want to kill if he was "confirmed" right after the lynch on Day 1. The more people I can have accusations about, the better my chances of getting someone mislynched. To answer the questions, probably because his intentions were not as good as we first assumed? The reason I was so curious as to how you'll thought kills were being made. It had seemed that kills were being made based on role names (I think that has been confirmed by the flavor in the beginning of Day 4 post). Initially, I was of the impression that maybe it was because his name was not known that Monstrman was not yet killed. But he did reveal his name yesterday. So I would have assumed that he would be the one to go. That is why I went with the option of abstaining, because I thought it had the possibility of revealing interesting information (rather than waiting for the last minute and then voting ). So I have a theory. I think that Monstrman is the mafioso and I'll go through the previous days and see what I can come up with. We have assumed that he was townie because he led that vote against Quads. What if that was a ploy to make it appear that they could not be fellow mafioso - a ploy that did not go as planned as people joined in and then it was too late for Monstrman to remove his vote? Since it was the first day, things are not taken as seriously and people change their opinions of others and their votes pretty frequently. If you create the illusion of a rift between yourself and your mafia partner, you could be well set for later on in the game. No better time to fake it than the first day! I'm going to go through the days and see what I can come up with. Malick, please don't vote yet and at least give me time to make my case. In the meantime, both Monstrman and Malick, feel free to pitch in for or against what I have said above.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 12, 2013 5:51:49 GMT -6
damn straight I wasn't scum
I am so proud of you guys for abstaining tho
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Post by malick2037 on Jun 12, 2013 19:17:08 GMT -6
Okay Monstrman's hastiness makes me lean toward him being scummy. Mainly because of the last minute not counted vote, I think he is scum.
I believe that night kills are random that's why there is no night phase. I'll wait to vote for now because it is lylo.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 13, 2013 9:18:54 GMT -6
Sorry, been a little busy, but I should have time this evening to go through previous posts. In the meantime, Monstrman, any explanations you have? Or questions for us for that matter?
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 13, 2013 15:23:35 GMT -6
Here’s why I think the kills are not random and the mafia probably has to send in the name before the day ends. 2. Don't quote PMs from me. The only part you may copy is your character's name, which you might want to be discrete about. And then, But none of them could really get a good night's sleep; they knew that Kira now had all their names and could pick them off one by one, assuming that was how he killed. Its not definite, but I would guess so. Alright so the reason we all thought that Monstrman was townie was because he was the one brought out Quads initially. He was the first vote on a lynch on Day 1, that led to the lynching of a mafioso. Now why lynch a fellow mafioso – there are two possibilities. First (the unlikely one, imo), the lynch confirmed him as a townie in our eyes. It was Day 1 with nothing happening and he was able to lynch a mafioso – how could he possibly be mafia right? Second, he just wanted to distance himself from Quads. No better time than the first day when random votes are going around to create a rift of sorts with a fellow mafioso. Chances are that people will listen but since its Day 1, they’ll move on and either lynch someone else or abstain. Day 1 – no one has reasons that they’re definitely not mafia and so almost everyone is a suspect. So there’s a high likelihood someone else will be accused. The rest of the day he had a couple of posts saying he saw what Quads responded with but it was not convincing enough and his vote stood. What else could he really do? Can’t remove a vote from him after starting the votes. If he did that and Quads was shown to be mafia, he’d be everyones #1 suspect immediately. Obviously, things didn’t go as planned (or maybe did go as planned) and Quads was lynched. Starting Day 2, he completely focused on me. That is understandable from a town perspective – mafioso was lynched, and I was the one person that voted for someone else, possibly as a distraction. Can’t really hold that against him. Hellfire, while I understand your reasoning, at this point you're the best suspect I've got. I somewhat trust Soft, and there isn't enough info anywhere else for me to base a suspicion, aside from malick who I can't read. I suppose I could just vote one of the inactives (LMM I guess) but I'd really rather not go that route until I've exhausted other possible suspects... I think the part of this that’s interesting is that last part regarding inactives. This is a short game, It could have finished in 3 days with a mafia win. I think considering the possibility of an inactive mafioso is a legitimate threat. But, he says he would rather not have gone that route until all other suspects have been exhausted. So Day 2 - lynch Hellfire, Day 3 – lynch an inactive (at this point both Kira/Kat and LMM were inactive so chances are they would both be lynchable) and then the numbers result in mafia win. Now Day 3, first he votes with no other comments (ala Day 4), but then unvotes. Ok, no big deal there. Then, Kat brings up the possibility of abstaining, and here’s Monstrman’s response: If we abstain, someone who everyone trusts will die and we will be in the -exact- same spot as today. I say you make a case, or get lynched. I agree. I 100% agree that is what should have happened if Kat or myself was mafia. If either of us were mafia, Monstrman would be dead and Malick would be here deliberating with the other two about who the other mafioso is. Malick, if you were to be mafia, who would you have killed at the end of Day 3? It would have been the ‘confirmed’ townie Monstrman, no? What possible reason would I have for keeping him alive? With him dead, I could then strengthen my case against Kat and have a better chance at lynching her rather than killing her and trying to lynch one of you (if I was mafioso)! She was starting to believe me because otherwise she could have voted for me and finished the game. Beginning of Day 3 it seemed like she was likely going to vote for me, but took a step back and looked at the others later on. Killing her would have been a pretty dumb move on my part. And then the vote at the beginning of today with nothing after that even after Malick and I have both shown suspicion against him. Also, the mistake I made Day 2 and Day 3 was try to base my suspect on a process of elimination. It’s a terrible way to play mafia since it requires you to be completely sure about the alignment of the people you’re eliminating and I was far from there. But I had nothing else to go off, so I had to do what I could do. That’s how I ended up with Kat and that’s why I didn’t really have a strong case against her. Then as she started posting, something made me feel like she was not mafia. I really didn’t think Malick was mafia, so I started wondering about the possibility that Monstrman was mafia all along. Obviously, I did not really have much proof and I was not really in a position to bring it up at that point because I myself was not sure(have you seen how confused I’ve been all game!). There’s no way I could being up the possibility that the one person we’ve been trusting all game might be trust misplaced. That’s when I reduced my focus on lynching Kat on Day 3 and strongly tried to look into abstaining. I may be wrong, but I think an important part of a game of mafia is that the mafia gets to kill off people. It could be random, but the leverage of choosing is generally given to the mafia. This is also where I brought up the question of how you’ll thought the mafia was killing. I have a feeling there were a couple of other things I wanted to bring up but can’t remember. So Malick, what do you think? Monstrman, responses?
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 13, 2013 15:24:46 GMT -6
Oh darn, sorry about the long post and terrible formatting. But Malick, please check up on this site fairly often over the next 4 days. We cannot afford not to get a lynch because we didn't get the vote in on time.
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Post by monstrman on Jun 13, 2013 20:08:20 GMT -6
I dunno I still think you're mafia. You didn't make a compelling case against kat, so I voted you. It wasn't counted but whatever. We can still win today but from what it seems malick is already dead set on lynching me so... yeah. I still think you're scum and still want you lynched.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 14, 2013 11:11:36 GMT -6
Do you have anything else to say? Maybe regarding the accusations against you in addition to possible additional accusations against me?
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Post by monstrman on Jun 14, 2013 13:15:33 GMT -6
I'm not mafia, I dunno what else to say. If I was mafia trying to lynch you, killing kat would pretty much be the stupidest thing I could do because it would be so obvious. I've been active every day voicing all of my opinions and that should honestly speak for itself, yet every person that you have gone after has been town. It really doesn't matter because I'm not trying to convince you I'm trying to convince malick and that will just never happen, considering his playstyle. I just hope it was worth it guys.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 14, 2013 14:46:00 GMT -6
I'm not really sure why you think so. He just said you might be scummy. On Day 3, my situation was much worse (at least in my opinion). Malick has not said that you are mafia for certain and I'm not sure why his play style would cause him not to change his mind if a good defense is presented. I'm certain that you're mafia and you not really saying anything to make me questions that makes me even more confident.
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Post by monstrman on Jun 14, 2013 14:51:31 GMT -6
Okay Monstrman's hastiness makes me lean toward him being scummy. Mainly because of the last minute not counted vote, I think he is scum. I believe that night kills are random that's why there is no night phase. I'll wait to vote for now because it is lylo. what about this doesn't scream "I'm going to lynch monstr by the end of the day"? Because if you didn't catch that, we are reading two different things I'm not trying to convince you because there isn't a reason for me to convince you. I think you're the scum, so why should I have to explain myself to you?
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 15, 2013 8:46:57 GMT -6
Saying that you think I'm scum and don't want to provide a defense against me. And that the only other person is definitely going to vote for you is not exactly the best way not to get voted out. But anyways, Vote: Monstrman.
I've given you chances and you don't seem to have a defense other than I am scum.
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Post by monstrman on Jun 15, 2013 9:22:58 GMT -6
You were gonna vote me no matter what i said anyway but its moot point now.
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