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Post by monstrman on Jun 3, 2013 1:09:35 GMT -6
malick: can we get some reads from you? Feels like I haven't seen a post from you in ages.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 3, 2013 8:19:15 GMT -6
I'm leaning toward Hellfire as well (while I'm less and less sure of malick's towniness as time goes on, I'm still at the point where I'd shit bricks if he were scum). And yes, since we have four players left, we either need to be 10000000% sure of what we're doing, or we need to abstain today.
Hellfire, malick, what I want from you is a case on why you are NOT mafia, and why the other one is.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 3, 2013 9:10:04 GMT -6
I'll post soon with my defense when I get time later today maybe. I'll go through the past two days again. In the meantime, I think Kat should work on one as well. Just because there's no guarantee that she is town. Monstrman is townie, there's no argument. There's nothing really that says Kat is. Kira was inactive and then when Kat got active, she followed me in voting for LMM. But it sucks that all she has is one real post from Day 2 to count in the entire game (not her fault, just the way it is). I would be looking at her more than at Malick though. Then again, my reads this game have been terrible. And I know that means accusing me even more, but do go for it. That way at least we have something to talk about. This game has had too much of one post and done.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 3, 2013 9:32:19 GMT -6
Is abstaining allowed? I'm not sure if I would be willing to do that though because the mafioso could log in last minute, make a vote, get the majority with that and finish the game. Its risky. If its not allowed, I'm willing to role claim. I think Monstrman and Malick should keep quiet about their claims till both me and Kat have claimed though. Though if the kills are being made based on character names (and I think it is otherwise Monstrman would be dead by now), the mafioso probably has a list of the alive characters.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 3, 2013 16:01:30 GMT -6
If we do "vote: abstain" (read: this is not me voting to abstain) then there cannot be any other majority. However, if we reach a majority in "abstain" the day will end just as though we had lynched somebody. I don't mind roleclaiming right now. I'm VT. We weren't nameclaiming were we? I support my predecessor in saying that may not be the best idea, although there have been NKs regardless. I dunno. Hellfire, what what it about this post from malick that made you do a near-180, categorizing him as town(ier than myself)? (ps. ernie: idk if you know how but having post numbers was sooooooooo helpful to my playstyle...)
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Post by Erniewan on Jun 3, 2013 16:55:10 GMT -6
You can abstain, yeah, just vote abstain (or end the day with a tie vote).
And you can see post counts by clicking on the "Replies" in the thread listing.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 3, 2013 18:44:42 GMT -6
no, not that; you know how I like to refer to specific posts by doing like "post 42" or w/e
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Post by Erniewan on Jun 3, 2013 19:09:45 GMT -6
Ohh, well you can click the little cog button and drop down to "Link to Post" and it'll give you a link that you can post.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 3, 2013 20:17:05 GMT -6
no I know I've been doing that ;-;
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Post by monstrman on Jun 4, 2013 12:43:44 GMT -6
If no one is gonna do anything I'm just gonna vote hellfire and be done with it.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 4, 2013 15:44:44 GMT -6
About the Quads lynch. It was Day 1 and there was nothing there. You got it right, another game and the same ideology could have led to something wrong. At that point, the only real people that were active and helpful were Soft and you. Mind you, Soft had a lot of questions but no real content regarding people as such (yes, I know she was town. Why I being this up is one of the main reasons you said you had your vote on Quads was because he was least helpful. In reality, no one was really all that helpful at that point. Then again, it is Day 1 and there is not much to go from. I voted Malick at the time because he seemed all over the place. By the way, Day 2, he says he is more free and will be more active - and he hasn't posted since. But, I really do not think he's mafia so I'm not going to try to make a case against him.
About the LMM lynch: It was process of elimination. The entire week nothing was going on. Based on what I had at the time, I eliminated Monstrman, Soft and Malick (yes, later on I did have a little change of mind about Soft - obviously like everything else in this game, I was wrong with that too, but I did say it was just a hunch, not much more). Out of the remaining two, LMM was less active and Kira had made one post where he said that the mafia might need the person's role name to kill, which I thought could be plausible and so I decided to go with LMM because he had done close to nothing and if we didn't get rid of him Day 2, the same questions would come up Day 3 (though I guess I would not be here).
About Malick: It really was that one post that made me turn pretty quickly. Why? We were trying to put the heat on him, thinking he was a major suspect. What does he do? He defends the two people I think the town were most suspicious of! That's why I had almost no suspicions about him after that.
So that leaves Kat as my main suspect. There isn't much to say because Kira was inactive and had maybe 4 posts on Day 1? Completely inactive Day 2 until Kat steps in a little before the deadline. She joined me on that vote for LMM and it seemed a little haste. More like she joined in on the vote.
As for my role - I'm Quillsh Wammy, VT. I don't think keeping that a secret would help me at all at this point.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 4, 2013 16:30:06 GMT -6
She joined me on that vote for LMM and it seemed a little haste. More like she joined in on the vote. This is incredibly redundant. Did you mean to say something different here? I stated very clearly why I thought LMM was scum. I was the only person to actually go back and read his posts. You voted him solely for inactivity; I voted him because his content was bad.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 4, 2013 16:30:58 GMT -6
Also, my name is Touta Matsuda. Might as well out that, I suppose.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 4, 2013 17:46:47 GMT -6
My vote was more based on him being most suspicious (imo) because the others were not as much. Not really because of inactivity but because I eliminated the rest of them and cut it down to Kira/Kat and LMM. But yea, I said the same thing twice mistakenly. But I meant that it was quick - one or two posts before a vote. But I guess that's because you joined in the day or two before the lynch and so you had to catch up quick. To be honest, I'm not completely sure about who the last mafiat is. My best guess would be Kat for the reasons above. But as I was going through the days, I didn't really have that much at all to make a good assumption. But 3 days and 6 pages worth of activity - first 3 and a half worth of which was Day 1 stuff does not give you much to talk about. The reason I look mightily suspicious is because of my vote on Malick when we lynched Quads and the vote on LMM (or at least that's what I think the reasons are - if its something else, do let me know so I can try addressing it). I have addressed those above so I don't know what else to say at this point. But I really do hope Malick does come back soon. Also, Monstrman, I want to hear what you have to say. This is probably the last day, so the more discussion we can get going, the more we will learn.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 4, 2013 17:47:42 GMT -6
Oh, how do y'all think the kills are being made? Player name? Or character name?
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Post by malick2037 on Jun 4, 2013 20:00:24 GMT -6
Sorry for being AWOL. The reason I find the inactives suspicious is not because they were inactive, but because I eliminated the actives as suspects. I've explained about why I do not believe that Monstrman, Softguitar or Malick are mafia. This doesn't sit right with me. Actives in the past have been scum, the majority of the games I have been in a few in-actives were townies. I voted Malick at the time because he seemed all over the place. As for my role - I'm Quillsh Wammy, VT. I don't think keeping that a secret would help me at all at this point. Like the scrambling you are doing right now to protect yourself? Besides my obvious suspicion of Hellfire, Kat's recent up and arms attitude shouldn't be left to question of her role. Also I did some reading in the wiki, Hellfire's claim is the only name of the lynched townies, Kat, and myself (Shuichi Aizawa) who isn't a direct part of the kira investigation squad or a detective like Lawliet and Nate. For now I'll leave my Vote:Hellfire. I'll analyze more of the posts and see if anything else comes up.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 4, 2013 20:23:22 GMT -6
Actives in the past have been scum, the majority of the games I have been in a few in-actives were townies. This confused me a little. I meant that I did not find inactives suspicious because they were inactives. I found them suspicious because I did not find the actives suspicious, thus eliminating them and leaving the inactives as my suspects.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 4, 2013 20:52:14 GMT -6
Flavor arguments are bad, and inactivity is null... But I guess that's because you joined in the day or two before the lynch and so you had to catch up quick. I joined the day before. Sooooo...yeah. I'm honestly not sure anymore. I'm starting to wonder if it is player name, after all... Hellfire is still my top suspect (mostly PoE), but I'm still not 100% and I feel like there's something I'm missing. Still thinking we should abstain today, but will do an iso sometime tomorrow.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 4, 2013 21:08:01 GMT -6
The main problem I have with abstaining is that the mafiat could post a vote 1 minute before the deadline and that would result in a lynch due to majority. That's a little too big of a risk to take I think. Especially when we still have time to figure things out a little more.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 4, 2013 21:12:07 GMT -6
I have a feeling it is role name because why else would Monstrman still be alive. All of us have been saying since Quads got lynched that he is definitely townie. Wouldn't he be the first one that the mafia would want gone? I would like to hear from Monstrman. Something besides voting for me preferably.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 4, 2013 22:03:41 GMT -6
That will not happen if people vote to abstain.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 4, 2013 22:25:04 GMT -6
Oh, so if a majority votes to abstain, the day will end at that point? Sorry, I'm short on sleep and my brain ain't working too well. I guess that's an option but we can leave that for a little later on. The mafioso will leave the most suspicious ones alive anyways. But I guess it will increase our probabilities.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 5, 2013 11:16:47 GMT -6
Yes, and yes- if you wanna abstain, which I think we should, don't vote that option yet!
Yeah, I know exactly who's dying tonight if the game continues. *sigh* That's still a good rule of thumb though-- 4p mylo, always abstain.
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Post by monstrman on Jun 5, 2013 11:57:04 GMT -6
I see. So hellfire, do you wanna elaborate a bit more on why you think Kat is suspect? Was it just PoE?
Also, I know you said you didn't want to hear me say we should vote you, but you are still my main suspect. I mean, I know that this argument is bad but kira had to be replaced...
Oh also I'm the chief (Soichiro Yagami).
If you don't come up with a decent case against Kat that isn't PoE (or anyone else for that matter) by the end of the day, I'm voting you.
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 5, 2013 12:45:45 GMT -6
I'm not going to try to make a case up. I tried doing that with LMM and it didn't work too well. This isn't exactly a game of me trying to find the mafia. Its about us trying to find the mafia. I have mentioned my reasons for Kat above. Its the last day and with the activity we've had, you can't really build a case at all - other than against me because I tried being active and make things happen on Day 2, which resulted in LMM getting lynched. I could bring stuff up about Kat, but that would mean that I'm intentionally trying to force faults in her posts rather than actually making a good case based on solid reasoning. Essentially, I would be attacking her to defend myself, rather than finding actual reasons and judging whether she is mafia. And like I said above, I'm not completely certain its Kat anymore.
And I meant you can say I'm suspicious all you want. Just don't vote yet. We've not had much posting and now when people are actually active, we might as well use this time.
Monstrman (and Malick for that matter), do you see an issue with abstaining? We will have Day 4 with 3 people and one less suspect.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 5, 2013 20:40:50 GMT -6
If you don't think it's me, who would it be?
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Post by malick2037 on Jun 6, 2013 0:25:58 GMT -6
But seriously, now that everyone has claimed Hellfire's character name is the only one who isn't searching for Kira in the anime. As I presume we all are VT's that's why nights go by in an instant. Our win condition is that all Kira are eliminated. Seriously Hellfire's character doesn't fit this at all. P.S. My hunch is only based off of anime research
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Post by Hellfire on Jun 6, 2013 16:27:02 GMT -6
Well, my opinion of the characters is that Ernie would not really have an obvious connection between them. Kat, I do not see it being anyone else. That's why I specifically named you earlier. But I did not want the others to think I am 100% sure about it (worked out bad with LMM). So I'm being honest now rather than trying to force a lynch on you.
And malick, what do you think about abstaining today?
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Post by monstrman on Jun 6, 2013 21:02:25 GMT -6
If we abstain, someone who everyone trusts will die and we will be in the -exact- same spot as today. I say you make a case, or get lynched.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jun 6, 2013 22:30:30 GMT -6
Okay, so you said earlier togameday you had had a "change of heart" about Soft. I never saw anything as such expressed in your posts; your least favorable read on her was null/probable town. Here, on Day 2 with one scum flipped, you suggest that both Kira (now me) AND malick are scum. This is impossible. 3 scum in 8 players just does not work. And don't say you were thinking only Kira (me) are scum (or just malick, for that matter). You said FELLOW. Implying BOTH. Not to mention that you made this post after deciding malick read town. Additionally, it contradicts your malick-town read in the same post. Also, you sure are pushing me pretty hard for not being sure- and then saying it couldn't be anyone else... Also also, you say you "tried [making a case] with LMM" and you really didn't, you just did PoE. This grinds my gears because I at least read his (few) posts and explained why I thought they were scummy. I was wrong, but I tried. I'll be honest, I can see some of these things coming from unsure town (the change of heart: I personally could see myself thinking things but not mentioning them-- sometimes I play mafia in my sleep and think I've said something but have not) The degree and nature of the contradictions, however, I think are coming from scum.
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