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Post by Erniewan on Sept 8, 2012 9:27:15 GMT -6
And another item appeared out of nowhere. Get the item by posting Snatch Item.
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Post by Hellfire on Sept 8, 2012 9:58:48 GMT -6
Snatch Item
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Post by Hellfire on Sept 8, 2012 10:15:36 GMT -6
That's a good plan. Everyone should make a trust list, so we know who everyone trusts and stuff. I agree. Will work on this soon. Been busy with school. Also, I do want to hear from blrasmu before I vote. But I did vote for him yesterday, so I'm already more inclined to do so.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Sept 8, 2012 10:30:25 GMT -6
These aren't in any order really. Likely town: malick (due to his claim) Possible town: VGA (he hasn't felt super suspicious to me yet), kira (/barn) Null: robbie, TML, Caleton, Hellfire Lean scum: impereld, GG, blrasmu
Any or all of my null reads could be mafia, I'm just not really sure who yet. GG feels too null for my personal comfort (did I mention that yet? I feel like I did, but I have a lot of mafia dreams so maybe I didn't). And then I've already discussed impereld, and everybody and their grandmother has weighed in on blrasmu.
...does anyone think blrasmu could be town?
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Post by The Missing Link on Sept 8, 2012 12:08:15 GMT -6
Gah. I was in the middle of a post last night and completely fell asleep in the middle of it.
Will finish up very soon.
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Post by Caleton on Sept 8, 2012 17:19:31 GMT -6
For my trust list. Really only the top and bottom i feel strongly about and everything in the middle fluctuates post to post. I just didn't feel like putting everyone in null as I felt thats less helpful. I'm not really sure why I thought gg and impereld are town. I guess while reading them, i few of their posts just gave me town vibes. Though rereading, it feels it could go either way. for vgaddict, i again don't really know. I think i put him on my scummier list cuz of that weird post he gave a while back where he said npr was mafia for a very nonsensical reason. blrasmu: I already said a lot about him. His bandwagoning felt fishy. His only defense has been I really think that other guy is really suspicious and that we should lynch him. And I have yet to hear anything from him slightly convincing that would put him town. And kira: you've bandwagoned with just about every lynch brought up stating not much more than the reasons that had already been said. mafia.boards.net/index.cgi?action=display&board=mafia&thread=1858&page=5#87014mafia.boards.net/index.cgi?action=display&board=mafia&thread=1863&page=1#87120mafia.boards.net/index.cgi?action=display&board=mafia&thread=1863&page=3#87203The last link especially, since I just voted MF and you immediately dropped Malick and joined MF. It felt fishy. Also, even though you've been quick to jump on other lynches, you've been rather lenient to jump on the blrasmu lynch even though its been brought up several times. That makes sense if both of you are mafia. with hellfire its complicated. Basically it was just a "what if" hunch a while back and i don't really have much detail to give. However, something mroe town-leaning was she outright brought up suspicion of both blrasmu and kirawillwin in places where she didn't have to, and I've already expressed that i think they're mafia. Double however, since hellfire is really good at this game, I was thinking she knows that calling out your own mafia buddies is a really good strategy. Plus since he didn't actually vote them, calling them out didn't really do that much to actually get them lynched. It just did enough to make himself look townie if those two flipped mafia. mafia.boards.net/index.cgi?action=display&board=mafia&thread=1863&page=5#87252mafia.boards.net/index.cgi?action=display&board=mafia&thread=1863&page=6#87292But yeah, basically my accusation is you're good at this game and therefore, even though you may seem a bit townie, you could easily be mafia. Definitely not enough to lynch for. I would need a lot more evidence to go anywhere with this.
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Post by The Missing Link on Sept 8, 2012 18:32:00 GMT -6
I should have posted stuff yesterday, but honestly I needed an evening away from the Internet. It's been a busy week at work; I haven't left on time at all this week, and next week will be more of the same guaranteed.
I've went back and looked at Blrasmu's posts... and honestly, the more I read them, the less I like them.
Blrasmu's D2 is fairly interesting after you sum it all up and look at the story being told. At first, he's suspicious of Malick because he believes that Malick is trying to rolefish for information.
However, outside of this, Blrasmu's only yielded one other vote so far: Miracle Fassad in late D2. His vote on MF corresponds very heavily with his significant suspicion of Robbiecon on D1 -- he is suspicious of people who don't post.
Now, while I generally seem to be frustrated by people who sign up for a game and... don't make posts, I can't help get really annoyed. Yes, I do get annoyed by people who aren't really playing the game. But at another level, exclusively going after those (albeit with the one exception) and contributing little else practically seems weird to me.
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That said, let me go through my trust list and see where people are.
Malick - claimed The Wasp/Randomized JoaT - so far seems helpful (at least helped us catch NPR)
VGAddict - has been posting a lot, though the contribution is week. However, this kind of falls in line with how I've seen him play in other games, so it's possible that he's Town, but I'm not entirely certain just yet.
robbiecon - hasn't posted a whole heck of a lot, but something triggered in my mind. He said on D3 that he believed that it was the Mafia who stumped Monstrman back on N2. At this point, it's pretty clear that it was NPR who did it. It could be an out and out lie as a Mafiat, but it seems a risky one at that. Were he Mafia, he'd have known the Mafia didn't do it... and for him to boldly claim the contrary just seems like he honestly didn't know that detail. That puts him in my Town column.
Impereld - Hasn't really done a lot to help out so far. In fact, it's hard to come across a real method to his madness so far. It seems like he's dodging a lot of things. The one thing that's a little harsh to say is that he's voted early and strongly for Blrasmu... but he's also did some name-dropping of others "they're null, which is suspicious at the same time" in the same post he criticized Blrasmu for trying to pinpoint others at the same time.
Game Guy - believed that NPR wasn't suspicious on D3; has been pretty quiet and hasn't communicated all that much. Came in with a lot of theory about who Linnet was and all but really didn't follow up with anything.
Kat - claimed Thor/Armor - we've already seen another %Armor ability go by, but we've also seen two inventors so far this game, so I'm unsure. Kat's list of suspicions don't look too far out of whack (though I'm still unsure of exactly her trust in Impereld, but I haven't played with him quite so much, so I don't know).
Hellfire - seems pretty helpful so far; there's been a charisma about him that I've enjoyed. In a game that's a little hard to be motivated in (especially today), he's been doing a decent job of staying active and up to snuff. A little more difficult to trace down because he's a replacement himself, but I'm thinking he's Town.
Kirawillwin - I have absolutely no read here. Quiet Kira is quiet.
Caleton - I still believe he's strongly Townie. He too has been extremely proactive this game, and he's been doing a lot of research so far, especially to help out with NPR's lynch. I can't see him as Mafia.
That puts my list at:
LIKELY TOWN: Malick, Caleton POSSIBLE TOWN: robbiecon, Kat, Hellfire NEUTRAL: VGAddict, Kirawillwin POSSIBLE MAFIA: impereld, GameGuy LIKELY MAFIA: blrasmu
And so with that, I'm going to go with the obvious: Vote: blrasmu
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Post by Nyan Kat on Sept 8, 2012 20:14:32 GMT -6
TML, I don't trust impereld. I thought I made that relatively clear.
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Post by The Missing Link on Sept 8, 2012 20:54:04 GMT -6
I think I totally misread your post from the beginning of the day. >_<
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Post by monstrman on Sept 8, 2012 20:57:04 GMT -6
Hmm... I think this is a good place to start. Gameguy, what do you think of Impereld? If you could explain why, that would be great. I still want everyone to finish these lists, I'm just interested in this question in particular... ALSO THE ACTIVITY IN HERE IS BAD. EVERYONE NEEDS TO COME IN AND MAKE THESE LISTS DARNIT
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Post by vgaddict on Sept 8, 2012 21:49:46 GMT -6
I'll work on it.
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Post by Hellfire on Sept 8, 2012 23:38:33 GMT -6
Hellfire (Town) - Go figure!
Malick (Likely Town) - I think he's almost definitely town. Just the way he revealed his information and how it worked out, I think a mafia would has responded with fake information or something of that sort.
The Missing Link (Likely Town) – He was a replacement. Could have easily just shut up and stayed in the background. But I think has been most active with most in depth thoughts since he joined the game.
Kat - (Possibly Town) I'm not sure about her. She seemed a little too fast on outing out the possibility that she was miller. Armor is generally a claim from the Godfather. That's what made me most doubtful about her initially. But other than that, she has been pretty helpful and I haven't really gotten a bad vibe from her posts. So its mostly the claim and how she responded to malick’s accusation that make me think twice about her being townie.
Caleton (Possibly Mafia) - Just because he thinks I'm possibly mafia AND keeps referring to me as a ‘she’! haha Its more because he does post, but I find them to be too safe. He doesn’t make accusations. Just sort of flows with the town. I need to re-read the previous days when I get a chance to strengthen this argument. But right now I’m just posting my gut feelings about everyone. But I feel he’s too in line with what the town thinks aka mafia trying not to stand out. Not as much as blrasmu though (See below)
Blrasmu (Likely Mafia) – I had gone over this Day 2 when I was uber suspicious of him. He just went with the flow of the town and it was a little too blatant. So either he really was just not too interested in making strong cases or he’s just trying to seem mafia. Since Day 2, I think he’s been quite inactive (that being said many of us have been too), so obviously nothing has changed since any my opinions of him are the same. The only reason I have not yet voted from him is because I’m waiting for a response and we have a couple more days.
Kirawillwin (Likely Mafia) – His posts have been very short and just flowing the town. They don’t seem to be thought out, but just sorta finding reason to support where the town is going (if that makes any sense).
GameGuy, imperald, robbiecon, vgaddict (Nulls) - Very few posts, so I don't know what to think. Doesn't mean they’re less suspicious that mafia or more suspicious than townies (though the latter is quite true). There's just not enough to go off there. They drop by say a few words and there’s just not enough continuity for me to get a good read.
In conclusion, I think blrasmu, Kirawillwin and two of the nulls are the mafia (or maybe Caleton being one instead of one of the nulls). I think there are 4 mafioso, not 3 or 5. It makes sense with an independent. Blrasmu, please respond, and more importantly, tell us about what you think of those of us still alive. Really interested to hear that part too.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Sept 9, 2012 1:14:16 GMT -6
Hmm...TML, given that you incorrectly thought I trusted impereld, does finding out otherwise affect your read on me at all?
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Post by vgaddict on Sept 9, 2012 21:11:53 GMT -6
I'll post my reads soon.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Sept 9, 2012 21:13:20 GMT -6
VGA is stalling and I don't like it. brb iso
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Post by Nyan Kat on Sept 9, 2012 21:31:01 GMT -6
a;ldjglt;krja lynch day 1: This post is consistent with his Town play in other games, HOWEVER: He's just sorta like hmm maybe and never takes a definitive stanceAlthough, I will say that I could see this happening due to his relative inexperience. Pretty much everything else he's posted that looks weird could come from that. ugh. I feel like this whole game is null >.< Hellfire definitely put my thoughts about Caleton into words nicely, but I'm not positive on him really. I feel like.... 0-1 of [Caleton, Hellfire] is mafia, and that Caleton would be more likely than Hellfire. I say this because both have been doing a looooot of talking and leading, and no mafias have been lynched yet. However, I really REALLY am not getting the vibe that they are working together. Also, TML made an excellent point about robbie. There's not much scum motivation behind saying "Oh, the mafia stumped monstrman!" So I'll move him to null-town.
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Post by malick2037 on Sept 9, 2012 22:29:13 GMT -6
Should I hammer? Just in case someone else does I will just Vote: imperald[/color] just for some EP.
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Post by blrasmu on Sept 9, 2012 22:51:04 GMT -6
I'm gonna claim, because I'm really close to dying right now.
I am Natalia Romanova. If someone targets me at night, I investigate them to learn their alignment. I can also manipulate someone into targeting me at night, and I will learn their role.
So far, no one has targeted me. Last night I manipulated someone and learned their role. I would rather not identify them at this time.
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Post by blrasmu on Sept 9, 2012 22:57:38 GMT -6
Vote: Caleton [/b]
I'm also throwing a vote at Cale, mostly because he's voted for me on two days. Stop going after townies, bro.
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Post by Erniewan on Sept 9, 2012 23:11:46 GMT -6
Vote Count:Voted | # | Voters | blrasmu | 4 | Caleton, Kat, robbiecon, TML | impereld | 1 | malick | Caleton | 1 | blrasmu |
No vote (5): GameGuy, Hellfire, kirawillwin, impereld, vgaddict With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 4 ends on Tuesday, September 11th @ 6:30 pm (CST).
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Post by monstrman on Sept 10, 2012 1:04:42 GMT -6
I would make a reads list, but I don't think any of you care!!! I WASN'T MENTIONED IN ANYONE'S READS. NOT EVEN ONCE ;.;
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Post by monstrman on Sept 10, 2012 1:05:21 GMT -6
I DON'T HAVE POWERS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT A PERSON ;.;
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Post by impereld on Sept 10, 2012 3:47:07 GMT -6
Oh yeah, this exists doesn't it?
So, first of all, I agree that two inventors seems odd. I'm thinking that maybe Squeege could only make those EP items and NPR could make proper ones, or perhaps Squeege makes an item that goesp for grabs and NPR could keep his. Or something else, I dunno, just throwing out theories here.
Secondly, I want to know if anything happened to blarsmu last night that he is willing to share with the group, seeing how malick apparrently targeted him last night. And seeing how you're near death, I'm not going to vote you yet simply so we can squeeze every minute out of this day, but if tommorrow comes, maybe. Although you have claimed (as some sort of reflex cop?) so I'm gonna read back and see if that sits right with me. And, just to make this clear, I am NOT asking you to reveal the role you discovered. I am asking if anything happened because (presumably) of malick that you feel safe sharing.
And finally, go go gadget trust list:
I'm gonna go in the order of the list on the first page here.
Kat: Kat seems town in the way she has been playing. I was going to say that having two armours is a tiny bit suspicious, but then Squeege and NPR both popped up Inventor so screw that. Plus, I've seen games that have a proper Armour and another type, usually Wooden, or in this case, Percentage. So Kat I would say at the moment is pretty town.
malick: His claim seems pretty legit, and I would highly doubt the mafia would have a role as potentally destructive as this one could be. I'd say probable town.
vgaddict: Out of all the people I have in the nullish area, vgaddict seems to me the most likely to be mafia. But my problem is that I cannot think for the life of me why. There's just something about the way he's been posting that seems like he's trying to avoid attracting attention. That by itself doesn't make him mafia, but... I dunno. I'm just not getting a good gut feeling.
Caleton: I'm getting a town vibe from Caleton here. I don't 100% think he's town, but he seems to be fairly townish, at least.
Hellfire: He's been actively stirring up conversation, so at the moment I'm leaning towards town.
The Missing Link: I feel the same about TML as I do Hellfire. Both have stirred up conversation, both seem to be fairly benevolent to the interests of the town, so for now I'm leaning town on both of them.
robbiecon: I really don't have enough information to get a read on robbie here. It could be that's part of his plan, so people suspect him but not quite enough to start voting him en masse. So for now, null, but I'm watching him carefully.
impereld: This guy I would trust with my life. Also, he's really beautiful, I couldn't bear for him to be lynched.
blarsmu: I'm still suspicious of blarsmu, but he's no longer my absolute top scum suspect. He's still up there, but I'm going to read back like I said above before deciding to lynch or not.
Kirawillwin: Still suspicious of Kira. He was fairly average early on, but he seems to just be going with the flow now, following what ever seems to be the most easy lynch. I'm really waiting for him to come out and do a trust list, as I can't see one from him.
GameGuy: GameGuy is kinda null for me at this point. Like, I don't think he's mafia, but I wouldn't trust him to be town either. To be honest, I want to hear some of his current opinions, as I really need to make my mind up soon about him.
monstrman: YOU ARE AN ASSET TO THE TEAM GOOD SIR, DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU DIFFERENT.
To be honest, I still think that monstr is town, but it is possible that because NPR was Indie, that monstr was scum and is feeding us misinformation. I don't think he is, it isn't likely, but I think we should keep in mind it's a possibility. But I do want to hear his suspicions.
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Post by impereld on Sept 10, 2012 3:57:13 GMT -6
Wait, I made a mistake. blarsmu IS my top scum suspect, but he's claimed and I want to look back before lynching him. I was trying to say that he's still suspicous and the situation needs to be sorted out, but not immediately so.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Sept 10, 2012 8:43:37 GMT -6
Oh, right. monstrman is obvmiller.
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Post by Hellfire on Sept 10, 2012 9:41:33 GMT -6
I'm gonna claim, because I'm really close to dying right now. I am Natalia Romanova. If someone targets me at night, I investigate them to learn their alignment. I can also manipulate someone into targeting me at night, and I will learn their role. So far, no one has targeted me. Last night I manipulated someone and learned their role. I would rather not identify them at this time. Malick said he did target you last night though! As per what I'm understanding from above, you did not get him as targeting you, but got someone else to target you and learnt their role? [/b] I'm also throwing a vote at Cale, mostly because he's voted for me on two days. Stop going after townies, bro.[/quote] Ummm...really?? Little more explanation other than that please? Or is that all the proof you need to vote him? Also, trust list please?
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Post by Nyan Kat on Sept 10, 2012 11:40:22 GMT -6
Oh also about the miller thing- I was one in another game so I immediately thought of that.blrasmu sounds like he's trying to claim magnet cop... and that omgus was bad bad bad.
Yeah, I think you should out your reads, monstr. For the record I do think he was town, I just wasn't getting any scum vibes from him [and I'm still not].
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Post by vgaddict on Sept 10, 2012 12:07:44 GMT -6
Wait, we can iso?
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Post by Nyan Kat on Sept 10, 2012 12:57:53 GMT -6
well, the only way you can is by going to their profile and choosing to view their last [x] posts...
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Post by blrasmu on Sept 10, 2012 13:49:30 GMT -6
I'm gonna claim, because I'm really close to dying right now. I am Natalia Romanova. If someone targets me at night, I investigate them to learn their alignment. I can also manipulate someone into targeting me at night, and I will learn their role. So far, no one has targeted me. Last night I manipulated someone and learned their role. I would rather not identify them at this time. Malick said he did target you last night though! As per what I'm understanding from above, you did not get him as targeting you, but got someone else to target you and learnt their role? Yes. So instead of waiting to be targeted, I manipulated some else to target me. Therefore, I did not see Malik target me. As for a "trust list" well... 1. Kat -- probably town. 4. malick -- town. Basically claimed 6. vgaddict -- town 8. Caleton -- possible mafia. Voting because of circumstatial evidence. 9. Hellfire -- I want to believe that he's town, but wouldn't be surprised if he flipped. 10. The Missing Link -- don't know 11. robbiecon -- don't know 12. impereld -- mostly likely town 13. blrasmu -- claimed townie 14. Kirawillwin -- mafia, due to process of elimination. 15. GameGuy -- don't know.
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