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Post by Hellfire on Aug 28, 2012 11:33:25 GMT -6
Hellfire, how do you know there's a doctor? One hasn't claimed. This could very well be a doctorless setup (due to the presence of armor, percent armor, probably elite bg) Experience, I would say. How many of you have played in a game with no doctor, but extra armors and a bodyguard instead? And I mean forum games. I've never had one. I'm not saying its impossible, I'm just saying its highly, highly unlikely that there's no doc. Its pretty much the same reason I don't think there's two armors. Ernie is very creative with his games and roles, but he also is pretty darn good at keeping them balanced (Sorry, softguitar. Haven't played in any of your games). I believe his last game was Lost. There were two mafias, one independent, a town vigilante, plus a survivor-of-all-trades (I don't think she had more than maybe one or two kills though. That's at least 2-3 potential kills a night imo. Town Protective roles - Bodyguard (just a regular one), Doctor and Nurse (I believe she becomes doc if he dies). There are some other roles that I'm not sure, but none of them seem protective. My guess for this game is one mafia, one independent and possibly a vigilante or something of that sort. I highly believe there's a doctor, and that would make 4 protective roles. He went from 2 protective in a game of 27 (or so) to 4 protective in a game of 16? I don't think that makes too much sense. But can someone clarify what an percent armor is? 50% chance you live, 50% you die? Cause based on the Hulk, I could see it being more of an armor version of what NPR claimed. So 50% chance you die, 50% chance you kill the killer. Its the Hulk...he ain't letting anyone go! lol, I started posting replying to Kat and then all these ideas formed and so it may be a little disorganized. Does that make any sense? I would vote NPR, but I want to here responses on the what percent armor might do. Also, after Hangman, I wouldn't exactly protect Monstrman...but that's just my opinion so I can't hold NPR guilty for that.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 28, 2012 11:58:37 GMT -6
Actually, I played a large game with no Town Doc but a Scum Doc, and a two-town game where one of the towns didn't have a Doc. There was at least one occurrence in each of a guard and an armor (and in the two-town game, there was also a Mimic), as well as at least one occurrence overall of a Wooden Armor. (this is going off memory so I could be partially wrong on some points wheeee)
I'm thinking one mafia, possibly an indy, a vig, and a modified JoaT. Perhaps a bomb, too, but I dunno.
My guess on the %Armor is that he was either a wooden armor or could only put up his armor on certain nights (and perhaps would not be allowed to post the next day? Which would seriously suck but then on the other hand would be a good role for MF, lol) I think the Hulk part is seen in the Brock Sampson part of the role (Brock Sampson daykills someone who insults him).
Hellfire, I know I'm an armor, which is why I think there's no doctor. You're right; it is a lot of protective roles, and again I think there are a lot of killing roles (see above). NPR might basically be our doctor, that's my guess. Which sucks, because he claimed already.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 28, 2012 11:59:36 GMT -6
also, all NPR said was that he targeted monstrman...which means he could have used a stumpifying item; which, again, I could see him doing after a game of hangman. He never explicitly said he protected monstrman.
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Post by Hellfire on Aug 28, 2012 12:04:52 GMT -6
also, all NPR said was that he targeted monstrman...which means he could have used a stumpifying item; which, again, I could see him doing after a game of hangman. He never explicitly said he protected monstrman. NPR, can you clarify?
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Post by Erniewan on Aug 28, 2012 19:23:08 GMT -6
Vote Count:Voted | # | Voters | Kat | 2 | NPR, malick | Malick | 0 | Kat, vgaddict | NPR | 2 | Kat, robbiecon, vgaddict | blrasmu | 1 | impereld |
No vote: TheMissingLink, Kat, GameGuy, Caleton, Hellfire, blrasmu, kirawillwin, Squeege With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 3 ends on Sunday, September 2nd @ 7:30 pm (CST).
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Post by malick2037 on Aug 28, 2012 20:28:52 GMT -6
@gg I wanted to know more about Monstrman. And if I didn't get the result I wanted I wouldn't count it as a loss because it would weed some people out of the game to make it easier to decide on mafiats.
@kat I targeted Monstr.
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Post by The Missing Link on Aug 29, 2012 0:17:30 GMT -6
Apologies for not getting to this a little earlier. I am here though! And... admittedly, I'm a little slow on the draw to getting everything read. I definitely should have time tomorrow to get caught up on the game.
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Post by Caleton on Aug 29, 2012 1:20:58 GMT -6
So, school starts tomorrow and I know I'm gonna be completely loaded with school and homework and everything. I'll try my best to stay active but I won't have as much time to do as much deep analysis of the game. sorry. And now I really need to go to bed.
So Ill just say everything I have to say now. Personally, I find kirawillwin, vgaddict, and blrasmu scummy. Kirawillwin for his short, somewhat bandwagony votes and comments from the past 2 days. Vgaddict just cuz his last vote on npr had a rather illogical arguement and felt like he was just trying to stir up a bandwagon on npr given the already present rising suspicions of him
And blrasmu for the same reasons I gave yesterday, and because it feels like in his comments today he's making jokes to avoid direct confrontation or so we don't take any of his stuff seriously. Like impereld totally voted him, and blas just ignored it and referenced his joke about dancing.
It feels like what Linnet did yesterday. She totally bandwagons against Miracle Fassad, but she also made a joke saying she'll unvote him if he starts talking like dis agwain or whatever. So, when I saw that, it felt like the reason she voted him was to be funny, when really she was sneakily bandwagoning against someone she knew to be town.
Vote: blrasmu[/color]
Personally, i find myself to believe kat because of all the stuff she said in the past 2 game days. And I also want to believe npr, mostly because in the past 2 days i had thought him as town, and kat is saying she really thinks hes town and respect kat and i think kat is town. and other stuff that im too tired to try and articulate and don't have the time. i dunno. thinking is hard. ill see what happens. I really need to go to bed. bye.
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Post by The Missing Link on Aug 29, 2012 2:06:41 GMT -6
Okay. I lied. I skimmed and I read up through the present. Well, that said, emphasis on skimmed.
Before I start talking about all of you, let me talk about me. Let me just say how pathetic it is to jump into a role that has been replaced twice already. Seriously. Especially in a game that rewards activity. I have 2 EP, presumably because my original role inheritor posted twice. And worst yet? I don't even know why you'd give up this role.
Actually scratch that; I do know. Because it was I who was meant to play this role. Seriously, this role fits me like a sock that just came out of the dryer. It's like... honestly... perfect. I thought I gave [REDACTED] the best role ever in Time Traveler Mafia, but this role... makes me happy on so many levels. And yes, those levels. Giggity-giggity-goo.
Now that I've properly embarrassed myself publicly, *ahem*
When I take over a role mid-game, I always play a little experiment with the proceedings. Instead of looking at the current results and then backtracking through the original data, I actually read the topic once through and then see if my predictions hold up. So far, I've been pretty spot on:
Miracle Fassad was a resounding null read for me. GOOD IDEA: Lurking here and there. BAD IDEA: NEVER POSTING EVAR OMG. Seriously, why play Mafia if you don't post at least once every once in a while. *gloom* That said, I wasn't expecting him to be a Percentage Armor given the way Kat was claiming. More on that in a bit.
Linnet... actually was in the potential Mafia column for me. There was something about the opening of the game that just felt... wrong to me. Maybe it's just that Caleton just seemed so resoundingly Townie thus far the entire game and Linnet was crossing Caleton's path early? I know that doesn't necessarily mean it can't be two Townies, but it just left me with a super bad taste in my mouth that I couldn't get rid of.
Monstrman was in my Townie column. Which is excessively odd; usually he's in my Mafia column. I always tend to have a worse impression of Monstrman than he usually is, but honestly this game he's seemed genuinely helpful and insightful. Maybe this is just experience in playing with him so I finally can read him better. But all in all, I'd still put stock in Monstrman... though with a grain of salt. It is a bit weird that he got stumped and then didn't have his role publicly revealed. Because... I've never seen a stump role quite like that.
Then again, I've not quite seen a role like mine either. So it goes.
So... let's get down to where my reads are.
Kat - Was LIKELY TOWN, up until MF flipped partial armor. Two armors in the game on the same side seems... ehhh... to me. She dropped to POSSIBLE TOWN at that point. I also am biased to giving Kat more lenience than others too, so YMMV.
Caleton - Far as I'm concerned, that's about the strongest Townie so far this game.
Ramenking/Hellfire - LIKELY TOWN. Ramenking seemed super helpful in the beginning, and Hellfire's seemed to be picking up the slack too.
Doc/VGAddict - I had a NULL read on Doc; I didn't get where all the votes were coming from, but it seemed like it was a big you-had-to-be-there/inside joke? I dunno. VGAddict seems to be in line with my previous experience when he's a Townie, so I'll give him credit for now.
NPR - Dodgy as hell. Though honestly, I always read him as more dodgy than he really is.
Robbiecon - NULL. I feel like I should have an opinion on him; maybe were I not skimming, that'd put me somewhere.
Malick - I kinda placed him in my POSSIBLE MAFIA column at first at the beginning of D2/D3... but now I'm not sure. I really don't know what to make of his role claim. I do find it weird how many people were pretty much asking him to give 100% of his role details the moment he had vaguely disclosed parts of it.
Blrasmu - POSSIBLE MAFIA. Just some of the posts Blr's made have screamed something weird.
Kirawillwin - POSSIBLE MAFIA. I have a lot less strong an opinion of Kira as I do with Blr, but I think I also judge Kira more negatively than he usually is.
Squeege - Setting off all kinds of klaxons in my head. He's in the thick of it, but almost too much so.
Those are my initial impressions. I'll try to start digging a little deeper and go into much less gut-feely feelings then.
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Post by impereld on Aug 29, 2012 6:47:48 GMT -6
First of all, NPR did get an item. I guess it was the stumpifyer. Wait, NPR got an item? Huh. I completely forgot about that. I'm still suspicious of all these protective roles people are claiming, but it is possible that we just don't have a doctor. Stranger things have happened. And also, I completely forgot that we have no idea of what the full effect of malick's action could be. It could be that he stumped monstr, so I'm slightly less suspicious of these protective roles. Not completely, but slightly. But the most important thing is something that I can't believe I missed. Linnet was a doppelganger. Let's look at the role list. Doppelganger - You can replicate another player at night, killing them and stealing their role (but not team). The player will show up as a Doppelganger on death. I think it's possible that Linnet was made to look a doppleganger and somebody else now will look like what she was. Of course, it's possible that the doppleganger is actually dead, but if we just blindly believe that, it could come back to bite us in the collective ass. And finally... Imperald, I challenge you to a dance-off, and we'll see who can dance. Poor blarsmu. He thinks he can possibly go up against me and my excellent body-popping, never stopping dance moves. Don't fool yourself, man. Just understand I am the greatest dancer ever like the others do, and we'll get along fine. Until one of us inevitably dies a horrible, bloody death.
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Post by blrasmu on Aug 29, 2012 9:06:43 GMT -6
And blrasmu for the same reasons I gave yesterday, and because it feels like in his comments today he's making jokes to avoid direct confrontation or so we don't take any of his stuff seriously. Like impereld totally voted him, and blas just ignored it and referenced his joke about dancing. When a person's only reason for voting against you is gaining EP and attempting to best me on the dance floor, it's kinda difficult to defend yourself. You seem to be voting for me simply because when the pressure was on yesterday, I didn't flip a shit and get super defensive. I would like to play more calm, cool, and collected. Right now we have evidence that NPR possibly stumped monstr. This is a lead I don't think we should let pass up.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 29, 2012 9:49:45 GMT -6
Some quick notes while in class
TML having the two flips so accurate in his reread is interesting. It's very unsettling that he has an unexplained strong town on caleton. Additionally he tends to note how he "inadvertently biases me toward town" when really it's just that he knows I'm town (due to him being mafia ). His wording here is slightly different I'll admit but it is a starting point for me and IGMEOY TML.
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Post by vgaddict on Aug 29, 2012 10:36:41 GMT -6
So, either NPR or Malick stumped Monstr.
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Post by monstrman on Aug 29, 2012 11:44:12 GMT -6
^I think it was NPR, especially because malick said he watched NPR target me and NPR proved it. So either it's a REALLY planned out (and awful) mafia play, or malick is telling the truth.
What bothers me is that the item I got simply gave 4 EP. I dunno, it just feels weird that suddenly the items go from 4 EP to stumpifyer? It's not sitting right.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 29, 2012 14:38:39 GMT -6
maybe the items increase in value closer to the end of the day, or are random? my item was also kinda crappy. (don't out your items, guys)
occam's razor and my theory point to malick telling the truth and NPR stumping monstrman. While I do think that if stumpifying would be an x-shot scum ability, I still refer to my logic in post 54 making NPR derptown and not scum.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 29, 2012 14:41:36 GMT -6
EBWOP: while I do think stumpifying were an ability, it would be an x-shot scum ability.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 29, 2012 14:42:12 GMT -6
EBWOTP: while I do think that IF blah blah blah
I just woke up okay
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Post by monstrman on Aug 29, 2012 16:31:15 GMT -6
I guess it makes sense, but I dunno the item stumpifyer thing doesn't, and if it's the case that it didn't actually come from an item, then NPR is the only place stumping could have come from.
I mean, it would make no sense for malick to have accidentally stumped me. That role would be convoluted as hell.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 29, 2012 16:41:03 GMT -6
I mean, I really think it's an item. I don't see someone stumping you as scum.
And yeah, I agree. That's not how the role that I think he is works at all XD
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Post by Caleton on Aug 29, 2012 17:06:40 GMT -6
When a person's only reason for voting against you is gaining EP and attempting to best me on the dance floor, it's kinda difficult to defend yourself. You seem to be voting for me simply because when the pressure was on yesterday, I didn't flip a s*** and get super defensive. I would like to play more calm, cool, and collected. Right now we have evidence that NPR possibly stumped monstr. This is a lead I don't think we should let pass up. blrasmu, that is not the only reason i find you suspicious. Its everything about the way you've been posting. Plus, from what impereld said, he didn't just vote you for the EP, he voted you now as opposed to later cuz of the EP. At least that's what I got from it. Go back and reread it. Although i guess this whole things not that important. And again, you bring up someone else. Yestergameday, as one of your defenses, you did the same thing. Npr being suspicious has absolutely nothing to do with your innocence. It's not like if we don't attack him this instant the lead will disapear. Speaking of which, so I reread all the stuff with npr and malick. And i think malick is telling the truth for the same reason monstrman said. So, if npr is the only other guy that targeted monstrman, i guess that's pretty conclusive that npr did in fact stump malick. And although stumping monstr wouldn't necessarily make npr mafia as nyan kat said, I would find it strange that npr would lie about it. Since even though revealing that he stumped monstr might incriminate himself, if npr was a townie, he would know he has nothing to hide, and therefore no reason to lie about the stump. If he was a townie, all lying would do is further incriminate himself, and interfere with town progress by leading us on a useless goose hunt. So FoS: NPRSo really the important information here is whether or not npr was the only guy who targeted monstrman. So Malick: given your understanding of your role, and the way ernie told you npr targetted monstr, would you say with reasonable confidence that no one else targeted him?
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 29, 2012 17:16:00 GMT -6
Caleton, NPR didn't so much lie as not tell the whole truth- see my post 62. Although, NPR, get in here and clarify please.
Also, malick picks the person to target re: malick's post 65.
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Post by NPR on Aug 29, 2012 18:07:32 GMT -6
Sorry about being inactive, blame being nausious all day, and being dizzy if I'm not lying down. I thought I posted about having limited access due to my surgery, but since being are wanting me to get in here and talk, obviously it was a dream. To answer your question Kat, I targeted Monstrman to protect him, not to stump him. The item I received was a hamburger that I can eat to replenish 5 EP. My only idea was how Monstrman got stumped was from a ninja, since Malick watched Monstrman, and only saw me.
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Post by Caleton on Aug 29, 2012 18:08:31 GMT -6
yeah, I saw that. but i dunno, i guess npr technically didn't lie. Although he heavily implied that he wasn't the one who stumped him. Assuming he did stump him, that seems pretty much like lying.
Also, i get that malick just picks the person to target. But i feel like malick inherently has a somewhat better understanding of his role than we do, which is fine; he doesn't need to tell us everything. But like, i don't know how much ernie told him concerning his action last night. I want to know if when malick said he's pretty sure only npr targetted monstrman, whether that was just gut feeling, or whether he had reason to think that. But of course, i don't need quotes or anything cuz thats illegal.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 29, 2012 18:13:12 GMT -6
ugggh I think this is turning out to be a complete dead end.
...that's it for now, but I'll have stuff later. I'm in the middle of writing a report right now I just got notified there was a post and yeah xD
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Post by NPR on Aug 29, 2012 18:14:45 GMT -6
NPR targeted MF, and since MF flipped town, and in mafia, mafia know who their fellow mafiats are and who's town, logically, that means NPR is scum. Unvote: Malick[/color] Vote: NPR[/color][/quote] How in fuck hell does this make sense? Tell me where you are going with this. Do I need to mention that protective roles target people to protect them?
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Post by vgaddict on Aug 29, 2012 18:29:37 GMT -6
I thought you meant like a killing role, sorry. Disregard my comment.
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Post by vgaddict on Aug 29, 2012 18:31:45 GMT -6
Also, isn't Ms. Marvel one of the good guys in the Marvel Universe?
inb4flavorargument.
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Post by NPR on Aug 29, 2012 18:40:30 GMT -6
I forgot to unvote
I didn't see VGA's posts at the end of P2, so i guess my earlier quote is VGA being VGA. I'm going to place my vote back on my biggest suspicion from D2 (and who we should have lynched in the first place!) Vote: blrasmu[/color]
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 29, 2012 18:41:56 GMT -6
I thought I was your biggest suspicion!
I wanna vote blrasmu too but I'm going to reread everyone first.
re: VGA I'd assume so, but I know next to nothing about the Avengers. However, as was pointed out yesterday, random characters could be mafia.
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Post by NPR on Aug 29, 2012 18:42:17 GMT -6
Also, isn't Ms. Marvel one of the good guys in the Marvel Universe? inb4flavorargument. If you ever want to look up a character in any mafia game, wikipedia is your friend anyways, as the name so slyly suggests, yes she is.
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