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Post by XX Stone on Jul 22, 2011 19:46:52 GMT -6
Vote Count: Captain Planet(1) - Squeege Squeege(2) - Captain Planet, Puppyduck
After a long debate between Squeege and Captain Planet, both trying to convince Puppyduck to lynch the other, Puppyduck made his decision. Squeege would be the one to be lynched.
As Puppyduck and Captain Planet made the finishing blow to Squeege, Captain Planet smirked.
Squeege was Longfang Witherhide, Vigilante.
Puppyduck realized too late what he had done. He turned around to face Captain Planet, who was already on the offensive. Puppyduck didn't stand a chance.
Puppyduck was Wilbur Humphrey, Rolecop.
The mafia had won. Captain Planet had brought them to victory. WORLD DOMINATION.
Captain Planet was Devil Captain, Poisoner.
I'll bring the role and action stuff up later. For now, congratulate Captain Planet, blrasmu, captainoblivious, and Darthpokey for their teamwork. Good job you guys! Oh, and Worthy Protoplasm WAS Anthony Stone, but he was the Doctor.
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Post by Wave57 on Jul 22, 2011 19:54:48 GMT -6
Good job Mafia.
And I've never died that early on.
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Post by NPR on Jul 22, 2011 19:55:56 GMT -6
Good game all! Gotta give props to the mafia. winning a 20 man game with only 4 people isnt easy
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Post by Worthy Protoplasm on Jul 22, 2011 20:10:58 GMT -6
So now I'm kind of curious - why was the mafia so small and the SK so weak? The game just seems kind of unbalanced to see the mafia have only four members and the SK have only two kills when the town has so many powerful roles.
(also why did you guys kill off Crav on the last day, seems like kind of a jerk move)
EDIT: Oh yeah, and congrats to the mafia for winning. I honestly thought Squeege was the mafia there at the end tbh.
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Post by Captain Oblivious on Jul 22, 2011 20:14:37 GMT -6
This is my first win. ;D
I thought we had it when we lynched robbie. Then I thought we lost it when the two of us died. I'm surprised CP was able to pull out the win after all of that. GJ, CP.
Also, that was a pretty hilarious ending for Crav. That was the first time the poisoner killed all game. Whoever was the first to say the full name of the person who died would become poisoned. Crav was the only person alive, to my knowledge, that didn't have a purple potion, so it was unlucky enough that he would be the one to say it, but then he also hit the 20% chance that he would die right away!
Fun fact: Though two people died of poison (and the odds of this were fairly unlikely), the mafia didn't successfully night kill until night 5.
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Post by Puppyduck on Jul 22, 2011 20:36:10 GMT -6
I blame the rest of the town for not lynching blrasmu Day Three like I told them to.
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Post by Crav on Jul 22, 2011 20:37:40 GMT -6
yeah... I was sooo close. Just bad luck on my part.
But I'm confused Cap. If you could double vote, why didn't you guys just blackmail me into voting with you and end the game earlier? If you'd asked nicely, I wouldn't have had any complaints, and it's not like I would have had any choice in the matter unless I wanted to die.
Oh, and congrats to the mafia. =p You guys really earned this one.
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Post by XX Stone on Jul 22, 2011 21:03:28 GMT -6
So now I'm kind of curious - why was the mafia so small and the SK so weak? The game just seems kind of unbalanced to see the mafia have only four members and the SK have only two kills when the town has so many powerful roles. To be fair, kirawillwin was a traitor who would have joined the mafia if he was targeted by the mafia at all. Seeing as he was lynched Day 2, he never got to join. As for impereld being weak, that wasn't the case. He had THREE kills, not 2. One was an ordinary nightkill. One enabled him to roleblock someone every night from that point on. And the third was a janitor ability. If he had chosen to utilize the role he janitored, things might have turned out differently. And he also started with a cursing item and a poisoning item.
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Post by Captain Planet on Jul 22, 2011 21:19:28 GMT -6
Crav that was my plan eventually. I didn't want to risk everything on an Indie who could easily screw us over near end game. I was going to most likely utilize that plan if need be on the last day. but then you unexpectedly died by poisoning! From the start I felt that we were pretty underpowered, and when DP and CO was lost things really started to bleak. Also funfact! CO had a protective item to use the night of his and DP's death. He was wavering between protecting either me and DP. I told him I was safe, but he still protected me. and then bam DP dies. We almost won the game that night too. also: www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9FImc2LOr8
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Post by Captain Oblivious on Jul 22, 2011 21:30:59 GMT -6
How was I supposed to know that there was ANOTHER killing role... >_> If not for the surprise vigilante, we would have won that night, even if DP died.
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Post by XX Stone on Jul 22, 2011 21:37:54 GMT -6
Squeege was almost the hero of this game - he comes in Day 7, kills off two mafiats, and was going after the fourth.
Night 8 was ridiculous: Impereld roleblocked Squeege, who was trying to kill Captain Planet. Meanwhile, CP kills impereld. He killed the person who made the game for him. ;_;
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Post by Crav on Jul 22, 2011 21:39:26 GMT -6
It was pretty obvious what was going on. I've seen enough quick lynches and powergrabs to know when a mafia is making a move to end a game. I kinda felt bad for you guys, it was such a carefully calculated move and you'd made it so far into the game without losing anyone, it must have been crushing to lose half your team in one night.
Congrats to Puppyduck too. Yeah you lost, but you were one of the few townies who made much of an effort to get stuff done. Well and Squeege too, despite his late entry.
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Post by Captain Planet on Jul 22, 2011 21:40:53 GMT -6
The thing is, I killed Impereld because I thought he was lying and still had kills. If I would have known he was actually out of kills I would have targeted Squeege.
Also thanks for that Impereld!
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Post by Captain Planet on Jul 22, 2011 21:49:16 GMT -6
HEY XX STONE. What was the deal with the second landmine? What would have happened?
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Post by Squeege on Jul 22, 2011 21:51:18 GMT -6
Once I replaced in, the mafia basically already had the game in the bag. I'm actually surprised we came as close as we did. EDIT: Oh yeah, and congrats to the mafia for winning. I honestly thought Squeege was the mafia there at the end tbh. Was I really that scummy at the end? I don't get how people could think that CO dying could have been anything else other than me killing him (Do you guys really think that Meow would kill CO when he mentioned nothing about him all game?). Something that I just realized that would have probably convinced Puppy: The mafia had a doctor, and Impereld successfully killed DarthPokey. That wouldn't have been possible unless I tried to kill DP too. Bleh, I can't believe I missed that. Well, damn. It was pretty obvious what was going on. I've seen enough quick lynches and powergrabs to know when a mafia is making a move to end a game. I kinda felt bad for you guys, it was such a carefully calculated move and you'd made it so far into the game without losing anyone, it must have been crushing to lose half your team in one night. I'll admit, I kinda felt bad that I replaced in and killed 1-2 mafia when the mafia was outplaying the town. I'm almost glad that the mafia still won, because I would've been slightly annoyed if something like that happened to me when I was mafia.
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Post by XX Stone on Jul 22, 2011 21:59:36 GMT -6
HEY XX STONE. What was the deal with the second landmine? What would have happened? The person who went to investigate it would have died. And then a third one would have appeared.
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Post by Captain Planet on Jul 22, 2011 22:02:06 GMT -6
Jesus, and the third one?
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Post by XX Stone on Jul 22, 2011 22:07:02 GMT -6
God help them.
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Post by Captain Planet on Jul 22, 2011 22:10:18 GMT -6
Yikes.
Also for those keeping track at home, The Emerald Staff was the item that I used to do my double voting. I also had on my person: A purple potion, death mace, and the bejeweled egg, and the crossbow we used on Impereld Night 6.
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Post by Crav on Jul 22, 2011 22:18:46 GMT -6
They're land mines. =p They're not gonna help people.
Thanks again to XX Stone for hosting.
Being a survivor was an interesting experience. After I role claimed to liven up the game, I decided right off that I would have to gauge my helpfulness to the town pretty carefully. Had to keep myself helpful enough to the town that they wouldn't kill me off, but not so helpful that the mafia would kill me off. Basicly, I decided that I'd ask questions to boost activity a bit and be honest about what info I found, but I wouldn't interfere with lynches outside of letting the town know if I thought they were making a mistake. My hope was that the mafia would understand enough to let me live because I could be useful to them in other ways.
A little disapointed I came so far only to die in such a stupid way (no offense meant) but such is life. =/
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Post by Erniewan on Jul 22, 2011 22:23:40 GMT -6
I didn't pay attention to the game much after I died, but seeing how close the game got, I say good job to both sides for making the game an exciting finish!
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Post by Puppyduck on Jul 22, 2011 22:30:45 GMT -6
I don't want to sound like I'm bitchy for losing the game, but I think there were WAY too many items this game. Just look at how many CP alone ended with, and I think I had about the same number over the course of the game. The thing with items is you don't know whether they will go to the town or to the mafia, so they can easily wreck the balance of a game, especially with this many.
Also Squeege, even if two people target someone with doctor protection I am p. sure they would survive. It would have had to be a wooden armour effect (or maybe XX Stone just called it differently to how I would, but I don't think that would have convinced me).
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Post by Crav on Jul 22, 2011 22:36:21 GMT -6
That last night I wanted to make sure impereld didn't have any tricks up his sleaves since I though he was the most likely to kill me if the game went weird, so I stole from him and ended getting his poisoning item.
It's sorta ironic, really.
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Post by Captain Oblivious on Jul 22, 2011 22:38:11 GMT -6
The purple potion that CP had was the first of the two potions that was sent to me on the first day/night (the other either cured Crav or died with Squeege). I was never poisoned. I'm a schemer, lol.
We poisoned you at one point, Crav, as I was afraid you might steal from us and catch us like you (kinda) did with Impereld. We'd be in especially bad shape if you had gotten your hands on the emerald staff (part of the reason CP has so many items is because we pooled our items with him to decrease the chance that you'd get the Staff if you targeted him). Later on, though, we left you alive as a back-up plan in case we needed an extra vote to survive. If nobody had gone along with DP's evidence against robbie, DP probably would have tried to have you vote for Impereld. But, that you were "skeptical" of the information against robbie made us wary of any plan that relied on your cooperation.
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Post by XX Stone on Jul 22, 2011 22:44:05 GMT -6
Puppyduck, everytime someone found an item, they wanted to send it to you. You saw how many of the Purple Potions you were getting.
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Post by Puppyduck on Jul 22, 2011 23:04:43 GMT -6
Except for when the mafia get an item.
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Post by XX Stone on Jul 22, 2011 23:16:26 GMT -6
Well, it's one side against the other.
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Post by Darthpokey on Jul 22, 2011 23:21:18 GMT -6
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Post by XX Stone on Jul 22, 2011 23:30:42 GMT -6
Will you guys stop with the horses, seriously
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Post by Squeege on Jul 23, 2011 0:56:07 GMT -6
The Emerald Staff was the item that I used to do my double voting. Dammit, I knew it. The double voting item was powerful, but I was okay with it this game for some reason. In general though, Puppy's right; without any major restrictions, scum double voting basically allows the scum to win the game a day earlier. I did like that the end of the game actually did sorta come down to behavior. I feel like too often on this site, the last scum are outed by role information rather than behavioral evidence. Also Squeege, even if two people target someone with doctor protection I am p. sure they would survive. It would have had to be a wooden armour effect (or maybe XX Stone just called it differently to how I would, but I don't think that would have convinced me). I guess it depends on the mod, but Blras would have almost certainly tried to protect DP (and the fact that he died probably means that the protection only prevents one kill). Really, I needed to post real behavioral reasons against CP, I just never quite had time. CP is good as scum; most of my tells against him were sort of subtle, and would have been difficult to explain. The only really obviously scummy thing he did was defend Blrasmu at the end. Except for when the mafia get an item. On the flipside, some people were basically confirmed by the items they gave away/had (Crav and Impereld). Edit: Oh yeah, and thank you XX Stone. I now know more about Might and Magic than I ever cared to know.
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