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Post by LordManiMani on Aug 5, 2010 22:24:15 GMT -6
Don't have time at the moment to do a 'proper' introductory post, but here's a place to discuss the books, movie, or eventual video game based on Brian Lee O'Malley's epic series of graphic novels.
I just saw an advance screening of the film tonight and I was blown away, even with my high expectations from having read all the books in the past month.
I'll write a more in-depth summary of thoughts here later on!
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Post by commonyoshi on Aug 5, 2010 22:28:56 GMT -6
So it's good? Yesssss. I've been looking forward t this for a while. Never read the comics, unfortunately.
My only concern is that the movie will rely on too many pop culture references to be funny and not actual wit. Please calm or confirm my worries.
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Post by thefakepsychic on Aug 5, 2010 22:55:55 GMT -6
Now THIS.
THIS is the movie that I have been waiting ALL SUMMER for. I am so excited for this movie. The only unfortunate part is that my school starts back the day this comes out, so I'm probably going to see it at the first showing after school. Hopefully.
Also I'd be willing to bet almost anything that this movie will blow everything about Inception out of the water.
E: Also, how on earth is everyone going to an advance showing? It's starting to piss me off.
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Post by Erniewan on Aug 5, 2010 23:57:03 GMT -6
I'm looking forward to it, but it seems a bit silly. I'm glad it's good though, now I'll definitely go see it. And there's no way it's gonna blow Inception out of the water.
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Post by commonyoshi on Aug 6, 2010 1:51:11 GMT -6
They are two completely different movies... >_> Why even compare them?
And Lordmanimani, how were you able to see this early?
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Post by Jerzkong on Aug 6, 2010 2:24:31 GMT -6
I saw the trailer, looks good Then I read the books (saw them in the library) and now I can't wait. Except all the movies come out late in Australia. So that sucks. Can't really compare Inception and SP. SP is a comedy that relies on video game references and pretty funny dialogue. Inception is a visual masterpiece with a heavily intricate plot... It's difficult to compare. anywho, yeah, can't wait.
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Post by thefakepsychic on Aug 6, 2010 2:41:12 GMT -6
Truthfully, (like I said in the other topic), I really wasn't to hot on Inception. It's definitely worth watching once, but I didn't truthfully understand why everyone loved it so much. Yeah, the story was "interesting," and the effects were good, but... It just seemed rather Heavy Rain-ish in the fact that it was like "HEY HERE'S A STORY LET'S BEAT YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH THE SYMBOLISM WON'T THIS BE FUN?"
Although arguing this is also kinda like Ernie and I arguing Mentalist vs. Psych. Different strokes for different blokes and all.
But, enough about Inception, there's another topic for that. How about them evil exes? Can't wait for the Katayanagi stuff, it looks so different from the books/awesome.
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Post by LordManiMani on Aug 6, 2010 9:42:37 GMT -6
A friend of mine's sister works for some indie/smalltime/hip media group and so she gets advance passes to see some movies or shows. In this case, they were being given away at a party/club opening thing and he had extras from it. I'll edit the comments I made to a friend of mine about being intrigued but turned off by Michael Cera's presence in the film here: -- No, see, if [Cera is the] only thing stopping you, just go. I swear by all that is good that he really works well in this movie. This is one, like Inception, that should be seen in theaters (though that was more for the effects and this one for the sheer excellence of spectacle. No one should let the near-memetic Cera-hate be the reason they avoid this film. Possible reasons for not seeing the movie include a dislike of fun quirky coming of age stories, video games, comic books, dance dance revolution, Canada, thorough deconstruction and demolition of the relationship-drama story archetype, video games, fight scenes, true love, rock bands, The Legend of Zelda, the Scott Pilgrim graphic novel series, or video games. Casting is not an issue here. -- I feel like there is some definite adaptation distillation going on here between the comics and the film. The story is compressed in such a way that less time is passing in the movie, but the plot is worked such that, coming from the books, it felt a little whirlwind but that was really the only nit for me to pick there. The comic book elements--the black description boxes, narrative asides, etc.-- all serve as reminders of the source material while still not feeling forced. Though for me it sometimes got swept to the side by the content of the film itself, this is still very much an Edgar Wright movie, and a lot of his brand of humor works really well within the story and characters. The casting is great. Cera really does work well leading as Scott, with other noteworthy performances in the characters of Knives, Stephen, Stacy, Julie, Young Neil, Envy, the Evil-Exes (particularly 1, 2, 4, and 7), and especially the near show-stealing Wallace. The characters of Ramona and Kim were probably the weakest, though in the case of the latter I feel it was just my feeling that they changed her to be much more moody from the books, though she still was a fun character. Ramona's character still felt a little too mysterious and she didn't really do much in the film so it was hard sometimes to remember why all this effort was being taken. Thinking on this now however, I feel like one of the changes (from the novels) near the end actually works well to address this complaint, so I guess my point is kind of moot. Fans of the books (especially those who have read Finest Hour) might take issue with how some of the ending plot points were handled, though they make sense within the adapted universe of the movie. Some story bits were shuffled around or applied in different places but I don't want to reveal too much. Without overthinking things, I feel like the changes I can remember were either done for the sake of it being a shorter movie (and thus relatively excusable in that right) or are addressed as I said before by some of the plot/character bending (not changing, just bending--it all works together). To finish, I feel like it's important to say that I don't compare the film and the graphic novels. I feel like what the film lacked was a greater exploration of Scott's world, the characters, and some of the plot points. These are all covered by the books, and the movie made me want to go back and read and experience them more. As for the film, it expanded upon the video game, fighting, and fantasy elements of the books and give them a ton of flair and polish in a way that complements the universe without restricting one's imagination too much. In short, they work well together, dare I say to the point of synergy. I can't really think of an ending for this at the moment, but if I do I'll edit it in for sure.
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Post by Erniewan on Aug 6, 2010 17:05:29 GMT -6
Hehe TFP, I was going to mention Psych vs. The Mentalist... The Mentalist is sooo much better, but it's really a matter of tastes, like whether you like flippant, silly comedy, or sarcastic, clever comedy. Also, though both involve pranks and antics of sorts, The Mentalist tends to handle it thoughtfully, while Psych tends to integrate it into the plot...
On topic though, I think both Inception and Scott Pilgrim can be great, in their own ways, and I think the premise of Scott Pilgrim looks really fun.
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Post by thefakepsychic on Aug 6, 2010 20:53:26 GMT -6
ahaha u so funny. Well, at least it seems to be getting people to notice the topic, and therefore maybe more likely to see the movie. I suppose that was kind of an ulterior motive for stirring this pot of discussion. (But I still refuse to admit Inception being anything better than "sitting happily in between okay and good." and The Mentalist "only slightly better than Baywatch" and the only reason for that is because it gives Psych some amazing joke material, case in point: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qf8M57we1I)
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Post by Erniewan on Aug 6, 2010 22:00:23 GMT -6
Case in point, it said "Psych is like The Mentalist", not that "the Mentalist is like Psych". You always put the better one second, e.g. "that basketball player is like Michael Jordan", not "Michael Jordan is like that basketball player". I think Psych is funny sometimes, but ultimately its stories are too non-serious to make an impression. The Mentalist is great because it has a great balance; Jane has the "psychic" intuition abilities, but instead of pretending to be a psychic in a manner that you would wonder why anyone believes it *cough*Psych*cough*, he uses it openly to set up cleverly elaborate schemes to catch the killers or sometimes to just figure people out. I think that may be what you're lacking concerning Inception too. You somehow miss the gravity of the good writing and drama.
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Post by thefakepsychic on Aug 6, 2010 23:06:01 GMT -6
I dunno, I could never really pick out one single episode of a drama as "impressionable." They always run together for me.
But, take a non serious show like Psych and I could probably tell you everything about every episode.
Plus, a few other issues that I have with The Mentalist, is that they never really tell you the clues until after things happen. In the promos it looked like Jane would have had some kind of Jane vision to tell you what he was looking at. Most episodes that I've watched always seem to hinge on the one thing that Jane has--
You know what, this is getting really ridiculous. We could argue semantics until we're blue in the face but it's getting really old really fast. I may have started this whole can of worms, and I'm truthfully starting to regret it. There's (truthfully) absolutely nothing you can do that can make me think that The Mentalist is a good show. Quite honestly, I think it's a cheap, unfunny, and utterly ridiculous rip-off. Because of course it's not believable for one to try to save one's own hide from going to jail, and making money off the process. Complete with the fact that there has not been a single even kinda close to retread over these 5 seasons. But once the motive changes from saving hide to revenge against someone who killed your family then OK YOU'RE OUR NEW TOP CONSULTANT I CAN'T SEE HOW THIS COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG AT ALL! Not to mention the proximity in episodes between Psych's "Death is in the Air" (aired Febuary 17th, 2010) about a deadly virus, and The Mentalist's "Code Red" (aired less than a month later on March 11th, 2010) about, oh hey look at that a deadly virus. But then again, I'm still arguing semantics. I can't convince you, you can't convince me, let's call the whole thing lunch, agree to disagree, etc.
Also I understand good drama just fine. 2007's Next did everything Inception tried to do, IMO, but with a better concept, a better story, and less horrendous screaming from atop hotels. But, truth be told, I do prefer things that are more light-hearted, and anything that tries to shove "meaning" down throats is stuff that I've never really cared for. Things like Braid (but luckily I could at least overlook it for the fact that the gameplay mechanics were actually quite solid), The Catcher in the Rye (which is a great book, but truthfully I think the "symbolism" is Salinger thinking "You know, I bet I could really mess with literature people with this book"), and Inception (which like I keep forgetting to mention, I ACTUALLY ENJOYED IT, I just don't think it's some modern masterpiece of prose and I will change my way about thinking about everything.)
I'm tired, I've been working on this post for about 2 hours, and good night. 6 days until this movie comes out.
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Post by LordManiMani on Aug 7, 2010 0:41:14 GMT -6
THIS TOPIC IS NO LONGER ABOUT PSYCH OR THE MENTALIST.
GOODNIGHT.
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Post by thefakepsychic on Aug 7, 2010 13:02:18 GMT -6
EDIT TRES OH MY GOD THEATER WEBSITE LIES SCOTT PILGRIM COMING FRIDAY AAAAAAAA
EDIT: Scott Pilgrim 1 point higher than Inception on Rotten Tomatoes 8)
EDIT again: and then I refresh and it drops six points. wtf.
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Post by LordManiMani on Aug 7, 2010 19:57:15 GMT -6
Yeah, the biggest frequent criticism I've seen so far is from (I suspect 'older') critics saying that it's too manic/young/ADHD/fast moving. I'd agree, but coming from the books it works well, and people who like comics or video games or whatever I feel will just be swept along enough to enjoy the thrill.
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Post by commonyoshi on Aug 7, 2010 22:29:26 GMT -6
Sometimes critics just dont understand us younger kids. They suck at reviewing action movies, horrors, and ADD type movies. You just have to roll with it and listen to general consensus.
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Post by thefakepsychic on Aug 9, 2010 8:31:15 GMT -6
^ Reading the reviews, I'd have to agree.
Considering the reviews that I've read that hate this movie are, respectively:
One of the guys who hated Toy Story 3 2 really old people (and one's a woman. NOTHING AGAINST WOMEN, but this movie isn't really targeted toward old women.) and one guy who keeps slipping sex jokes into his review.
General consensus is: See this movie. Or at least read the books. If you've ever made a video game reference ever, then you'll probably smile throughout the entire time reading.
Considering how many shout-outs there are to so many NES/SNES/Genesis games, and in the latest volume, a Wii game and a certain PC game that a lot of people here play.
Also this is the first time I've ever seen anything with Michael Cera in it. So yay?
E: Hahaha, these reviews are hilarious. "Romana" Flowers and apparently Scott Pilgrim is based on Slaughterhouse-Five. And we're going boarding on roller skates. Generational divide is fun.
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Post by commonyoshi on Aug 9, 2010 9:57:31 GMT -6
If the reviewer's name is Arnold White then you can just put his review in the joke section. He's a joker. None of his reviews are serious. Whatever the majority consensus is he'll give the opposite "opinion".
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Post by thefakepsychic on Aug 9, 2010 10:41:18 GMT -6
Actually it was Cole Smithey. But reading his other reviews he sounds very similar.
also still laughing at the generational divide.
EDIT: XD oh my god he actually gave a better rating to the new Cats & Dogs movie than Scott Pilgrim.
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Post by Erniewan on Aug 9, 2010 17:54:12 GMT -6
Yeah, this movie has a specific target audience, teenage gamers, so it's not going to get all raving reviews. But it's 7.5 on IMDB and that's decent at least, good enough to go see and enjoy.
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Post by thefakepsychic on Aug 9, 2010 19:38:48 GMT -6
Heck, I don't even think teenagers would really care about this movie, barring extenuating circumstances. Considering the only references my teenager friends know how to make are to FPS games on 360.
Truthfully, the target audience is probably the 20-30 year old gamers who grew up on 8/16 bit gaming. As well as the teenagers lucky enough to have played them as well. So I guess you're kinda half right.
I mean, I don't think too many people would recognize the Street Fighter Alpha (I think? All the SF games sound the same to me :/)sample, or the Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog sample.
It's definitely not aimed towards people over... I'd say around 45. Only because I'm feeling generous.
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Post by LordManiMani on Aug 10, 2010 10:10:48 GMT -6
Somebody needs to give metacritic a swift kick in the pants. Currently Scott Pilgrim is rated the same as MacGruber, which was the worst movie I've ever seen in my life... Granted SP isn't even out in theaters yet so I'll cool down for a while.
Also, Scott Pilgrim vs The World: The Game comes out today on PlayStation Network!
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Post by thefakepsychic on Aug 10, 2010 10:50:45 GMT -6
aaaaa want that so bad but I don't have a PS3 Unless it's playable on PSP. If it is then I'd love Sony forever. But I don't think it is/would be.
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Post by commonyoshi on Aug 10, 2010 11:27:32 GMT -6
Crap. Is the game available for computers? I dont have any of those fancy-smancy gaming consoles. And I'm still really interested in MacGruber. I dont know much about it, but it seems to be aiming for the ridiculous/intentionally 70's cliche bad style. I can see people "not getting" it, or maybe it really is a bad movie. I dunno. I'll hopefully see Scott Pilgrim soon and sneak into about four other movies while I'm at the theater.
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Post by Erniewan on Aug 10, 2010 12:10:09 GMT -6
Yeah, me either. I was thinking of getting an X-Box or PS3, but they're too expensive, I'd rather buy something else like a new computer.
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Post by thefakepsychic on Aug 10, 2010 14:13:33 GMT -6
As far as I can tell, no on PSP, and it will be coming out on 360 later. I think sometime next month or the month after.
Truthfully/IMO, Ubisoft missed a huge opportunity by not putting it on Wiiware. I dunno if it was the matter of size, or just they didn't want to port it over, or what. I know that there were going to be like special moves that required 4 face buttons, but both the GCN controller AND the Classic Controller have both.
I'll never understand marketing.
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Post by commonyoshi on Aug 11, 2010 0:32:39 GMT -6
It comes out to the 360 on the 25th.
And I'm surprised it isn't coming out for the Wii considering Virtual Console is a whole market for old school games. I seem to remember the Wii doing it first, but maybe that's just because I own one, haha.
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Post by thefakepsychic on Aug 12, 2010 21:12:51 GMT -6
So, tomorrow's the day! Well, 2 more hours if you're going to a midnight showing.
Nothing against you guys, but I'm staying as far away from the internet as I can tomorrow, I don't really want to be ruined on too many details, even though I've already seen every video that's been put out and read all the books.
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Post by DrShlub on Aug 13, 2010 4:36:40 GMT -6
SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE
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Post by commonyoshi on Aug 13, 2010 13:31:18 GMT -6
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