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Post by Barrylocke on May 15, 2009 7:33:50 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 9 Mr. Mime - 10 (+) Arcanine - 6 Dunsparce - 11 Delibird - 15 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 (-) Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 8 Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5 Charizard - 12
OMG COMMONYOSHI you always kill off my favorite pick. What did Totodile do to you? T_T
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Post by Meow on May 15, 2009 9:36:32 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 9 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 6 Dunsparce - 11 Delibird - 16 (+) Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 7 (-) Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
Oh, and I hate Zapdos for a number of reasons:
I hate his looks, he's so pointy that it looks like it would hurt if you touched him, I dislike a huge majority of bird pokemon, I dislike his moveset, I dislike the fact that he's the only electric / flying Pokemon, and I dislike the fact that he's a legendary pokemon.
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Post by Erniewan on May 15, 2009 11:05:16 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 9 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 6 Dunsparce - 10 (-) Delibird - 16 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 8 (+) Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
A vast number of Pokemon would hurt you if you touched them... and the jaggedness adds to his "cool" factor, whilst taking away from his "cute" factor.
Birds are majestic, beautiful creatures, able to soar through the air with more speed than other animals, and filled with abundant energy. Bird Pokemon are my favorite, if only because they are birds.
Can't really argue this, it's more preference.
Since when is being unique a negative trait? In my opinion, that's even more reason to want to have one.
I don't understand all the hate on Legendaries... just because they are more important, rare, and reknowned in the Pokemon world, that makes them worse than new ones?
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Post by Meow on May 15, 2009 12:10:05 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 9 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 6 Dunsparce - 10 Delibird - 17 (+) Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 7 (-) Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
See now that's a problem, I'm all about the cute factor.
Yeah, but water Pokemon are able to swim through water with more speed and grace than other Pokemon, what makes bird Pokemon so different?
It's more of a "I wish there was another one of these, so I'm going to resent the only one that has it" kinda thing.
They're just thought of as good because of the fact that there's only one of them. Wobbufet is one of the best Pokemon ever, yet people just completely disregard him simply because he isn't a legendary Pokemon.
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Post by commonyoshi on May 15, 2009 15:57:15 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 9 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 6 Dunsparce - 11 (+) Delibird - 16 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 7 (-) Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
"Cool""beauty" and "ugly" are all subjective. I dont see the point of discussing it. >_>
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Post by Meow on May 15, 2009 16:11:15 GMT -6
Common you copied the wrong list I think, so I applied your changes to my one.
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 9 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 6 Dunsparce - 11 (CY+) Delibird - 18 (+) Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 5 (-) (CY-) Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
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Post by Erniewan on May 15, 2009 16:49:37 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 9 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 6 Dunsparce - 10 (-) Delibird - 18 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 6 (+) Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
Sure "cool" and "beauty" are subjective, but I'm sure that popular consensus would agree that the style that Zapdos portrays (jagged, electric, speed, majestic, bright, etc.) is more of a correct correlation to "cool" than say, a lumpy, weak, dull, or dirty alternative. Sure, you might enjoy the alternative more for other reasons, but it wouldn't be because "cool" is solely subjective. "Beauty" would have a similar argument; sure "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", but it is not wholly subjective in so much that it is defined by aesthetic traits such as proportion, style, and visual appeal.
Meow: First off, soaring through the air is less restrictive, more impressive, and quicker than traveling through water. Also, I guess if you prefer cute to cool, then go ahead, but at least go for other ones that are neither first.
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Post by commonyoshi on May 15, 2009 23:50:33 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 9 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 6 Dunsparce - 11 (+) Delibird - 18 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 5 (-) Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5 Yeah, he just looks kinda cheaply drawn with no interesting characteristics. "Jagged" means "ugly" to me. :/ But if you like it that's cool.
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Post by Meow on May 16, 2009 6:05:03 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 9 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 6 Dunsparce - 11 Delibird - 19 (+) Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 4 (-) Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
Ernie, I thought the whole point was to save the ones you like, and get rid of the ones you don't? I don't like Zapdos, so I'd prefer to take one away from him than someone I like more, such as Wooper or even Paras.
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Post by commonyoshi on May 16, 2009 15:17:42 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 9 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 6 Dunsparce - 12 (+) Delibird - 19 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 3 (-) Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
I think the most important part of coolness to me is originality which is why I like some of the pokemon I do and dislike others.
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Post by Captain Planet on May 16, 2009 16:58:03 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 (+) Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 6 Dunsparce - 11 (-) Delibird - 19 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 3 Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
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Post by Meow on May 16, 2009 17:07:21 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 6 Dunsparce - 11 Delibird - 20 (+) Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 2 (-) Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
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Post by commonyoshi on May 16, 2009 17:41:40 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 6 Dunsparce - 12 (+) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 1 (-) Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
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Post by Captain Planet on May 16, 2009 20:10:02 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 7 (+) Dunsparce - 11 (-) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 1 (-) Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
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Post by commonyoshi on May 16, 2009 20:22:13 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 12 (+) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Zapdos - 0 (-) Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 10 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
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Post by Erniewan on May 16, 2009 21:23:35 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 11 (-) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 8 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 (+) Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5 That's an awesome picture... I still can't see how you don't like Zapdos. I don't see how this: is more awesome in any way, shape, or form.
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Post by Captain Planet on May 16, 2009 23:23:37 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 10 Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 10 (-) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 (+) Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 9 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
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Post by Meow on May 17, 2009 1:15:50 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 11 (+) Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 10 Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 8 (-) Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
Ernie: It lives in the ground and has wings! Instant awesome!
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Post by commonyoshi on May 17, 2009 12:23:24 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 11 Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 11 (+) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 7 (-) Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
Yes. And have you ever played the actual Pokemon games? He's freaking amazing while not being cheap and over powered. Regardless, you cant deny that that is one of the more original pokemon. Pokemon like Zapdos or Lugia are not. In fact, I used to make drawings of dragons in middle school that looked identical to Lugia. If even I could think of the pokemon I dont like it. (which makes rapidash one of my least favorites)
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Post by Erniewan on May 17, 2009 12:52:05 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 11 Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 10 (-) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 8 (+) Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
I'll give you the wings part (which is also true about all bird Pokemon so you just defeated your own arguments), but living in the ground makes something less awesome. Underground correlates to slow, hidden, restrained; as opposed to air which correlates to open, freedom, and a bird's eye view.
Common: in that case you should kill Mewtwo, because he looks remarkably similar to Giegue. Personally, I don't mind similarities, as long as they are still awesome.
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Post by commonyoshi on May 17, 2009 13:30:08 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 11 Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 11 (+) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 7 (-) Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
I think he was noting the contrasting characteristics and originality. And I'm going to have to disagree with you on your analysis of pokemon being cool based on environment. Both magikarp and gyarados live in the waters, after all. There are obviously multiple factors that effect our perception of cool. For example, birds are distant creatures. There's no connection a human can have with a bird.
I dont know who Giegue is, but Mewtwo is the only pokemon to attempted human genocide which makes him cool in my book. Also, psychic powers are way more interesting than electricity.
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Post by Meow on May 17, 2009 13:58:10 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 12 (+) Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 11 Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 6 (-) Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
Yeah, like Common said, it wasn't so much the wings as the fact that it lives underground and has wings, something that's entirely weird and yet pretty cool at the same time.
I can kind of see what you meant abou the environment something lives in, but there are always exceptions to the rule, and Dunsparce is just one of those. Diglett and Sandshrew are two more.
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Post by Erniewan on May 17, 2009 14:10:48 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 12 Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 10 (-) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 7 (+) Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
Now you are just getting rid of the ones I like... Blaziken is original, cool, and definitely not the worst on this list. Arcanine is a fire dog, Mr. Mime is well, a mime, and Gastly is hmmm, a ghost?
Also, as for "There's no connection a human can have with a bird.", this is false. I used to have a bird, and he had just as good a connection with me as any other pet I've had. And definitely lots more than you can have with an insect or worm.
And I don't see how randomly putting two non-connected things together makes it awesome... hmm, let's throw wings on it... yes, it's creative, but also a poor creation. We can't have a bug, so let's throw two fungi on its back... now, that's creative...
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Post by commonyoshi on May 17, 2009 15:10:08 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 12 Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 11 (+) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 Paras - 2 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 6 (-) Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
But by having a pet bird you kept it caged up which ruined the whole point of them being airborne and free. >_>
I dont really believe even you're convinced by what you're saying about originality and coolness. You can use that attitude on anything which discredits it as a viable method of critique. Nothing would be original then.
And you favorite pokemon just happen to be the ones I dont like. Your main argument is that society finds certain things "cool". But if we're society your selections would be the minority. Gastly, Mr. Mime, and Dunsparce all go for the cute factor. Your pokemon definitely stand out.
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Post by Captain Planet on May 17, 2009 16:57:28 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 12 Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 10 (-) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 Paras - 3 (+) Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 6 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
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Post by commonyoshi on May 17, 2009 17:02:51 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 12 Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 11 (+) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 Paras - 3 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 5 (-) Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
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Post by Meow on May 17, 2009 17:05:45 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 13 (+) Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 11 Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 Paras - 3 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 4 (-) Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5
Ernie: I'm not deliberately going for your favourites, these are genuinely the ones I like least x.x
I'm going for Skarmory after this, hopefully you don't like him =X
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Post by Hellfire on May 17, 2009 17:53:55 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 13 (+) Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 11 Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 Paras - 3 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 3 (-) Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5 Charizard - 13 (+) WOW...no one noticed that Charizard just dropped off the list? haha
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Post by Captain Planet on May 17, 2009 18:19:00 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 13 Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 10 (-) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 Paras - 3 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 3 Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5 Charizard - 14 (+)
Haha, poor charizard.
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Post by Erniewan on May 17, 2009 22:15:46 GMT -6
Gastly - 5 Scyther - 10 Mr. Mime - 13 Arcanine - 7 Dunsparce - 9 (-) Delibird - 20 Wooper - 7 Ditto - 9 Paras - 3 Ninetales - 5 Blaziken - 4 (+) Skarmory - 10 Golduck - 11 Pikachu - 9 Mewtwo - 9 Jigglypuff - 5 Charizard - 14
Wait... you consider Gastly and Mr. Mime cuter than Blaziken or any other bird?? Your guys' tastes are really weird, and not natural. Hellfire, CP, help me out here. Surely I'm not in the minority in thinking that Pokemon like Dunsparce and Paras are not cooler than Blaziken, Zapdos, or Skarmory...
Also, yes our bird was caged, but we let him out to fly around and stuff. And you didn't counter my argument about a connection between a human and worm/insect. Perhaps because you realize that the argument is shot.
Yes, I do, or else I wouldn't be arguing. I didn't say that your Pokemon weren't original, but rather that just because they are creative doesn't make them any better solely due to the fact that they are original. If I invented a TV with higher definition, it would be better than if I painted one with polka dots and added tiny wings to it.
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