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Post by monstrman on Oct 13, 2012 12:21:48 GMT -6
okay so we have a potential four clears, and a detected scum. Awesome. I would not be surprised if the mafia would try to shoot me last night, especially if blrasmu is actually mafia like I suspect.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 13, 2012 13:59:05 GMT -6
I'm not ready to believe TML's claim outright, because I still don't like some of his posts, but I have stronger suspects anyway (fatal, blrasmu, take your pick tomorrow, basically!)
I do think monstrman lean-town, though.
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Post by fatalfiend37 on Oct 13, 2012 14:29:34 GMT -6
Y'know FF, I would have thought my post would have made a slightly bigger splash than you completely ignoring it. >_> FoS: FatalFiendI read it. I posted my read on you before you posted your claim. I don't have much to say about your claim except that it lowered my suspicion on you. Right now my scum leans are on Blrasmu, Soft and GG.
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Post by Erniewan on Oct 13, 2012 14:38:13 GMT -6
Anyone else think it would be a good idea for fatalfiend to claim? Also, where has everyone else disappeared off to?
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Post by fatalfiend37 on Oct 13, 2012 14:40:02 GMT -6
I will claim if you all want me to.
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Post by The Missing Link on Oct 13, 2012 15:01:45 GMT -6
I read it. I posted my read on you before you posted your claim. I don't have much to say about your claim except that it lowered my suspicion on you. Right now my scum leans are on Blrasmu, Soft and GG. That's precisely the reason I'm suprised you didn't mention it. My post was there 2-3 hours before you made your next post, and yet all you did was respond to the question levied against you without any sort of comment as to how this may or may not affect your thought process. That to me sounds like you're playing especially conservative in talking about your thoughts on the matter... maybe sounding like you ran to the Mafia board first to discuss how to handle the affair before jumping into the mix with your own opinion. Because... according to your theory, Soft being Mafia means that you'd have been looking to me next. If that's the case, then I can't help but wonder if you know Soft is Mafia and are using her imminent lunch as a chain reaction. Because I can't even begin to explain this ZOMG TML " defending" Soft routine as somehow pegging me as a Mafiat. Rule #12 about being Mafia is to throw their partner under the bus the moment their scumbuddy is in freefall unless there is a good point that hasn't been made yet. I didn't "defend" Soft. I investigated the possibility that Soft is town, this is true, but that's a very different thing, not to mention is part of my M.O. in these games It just smells fishy.
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Post by fatalfiend37 on Oct 13, 2012 15:20:06 GMT -6
I am the Judge. I had enough karma to use my one shot lynch ability. Yesterday I took a risk and lynched VGA. He turned out to be town, so that was what happened to VGA. It was a mistake on my part, but I thought he could have been scum
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Post by softguitar on Oct 13, 2012 16:26:05 GMT -6
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 13, 2012 17:06:05 GMT -6
Why did you decide to use your executioner so early? I don't feel any better about fatal pending his claim either merrr everyone is so scummyyyyyyy
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Post by monstrman on Oct 13, 2012 20:20:33 GMT -6
Honestly i wouldnt be surprised if that was a mafia ability anyway.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 13, 2012 20:46:41 GMT -6
I agree. It seemed to me like it would come from scum trying to come off as a townie dayvig, of sorts since VGA was so scummy.
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Post by fatalfiend37 on Oct 13, 2012 22:41:15 GMT -6
Well that's my role. Whether you believe me or not is up to you. I am telling the truth. I killed VGA because I thought it was worth the risk. He turned out being town and I really screwed up. I am telling you guys(and gals) that we should try to lynch mafia today.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 13, 2012 23:12:52 GMT -6
I still think blras and soft are better bets, tbh. Im not sold on the whole "fatal is scum " thing, but i wouldnt be surprised if he did flip that way.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 13, 2012 23:31:13 GMT -6
No, I know. There's bigger fish to fry. I said that a FEW times now.
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Post by fatalfiend37 on Oct 13, 2012 23:54:11 GMT -6
I think Blras needs to post more.
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Post by The Missing Link on Oct 14, 2012 1:41:14 GMT -6
See... I find a few things interesting about FF's last three posts. I am the Judge. I had enough karma to use my one shot lynch ability. Yesterday I took a risk and lynched VGA. He turned out to be town, so that was what happened to VGA. It was a mistake on my part, but I thought he could have been scum The first post... doesn't really have anything wrong with it. At least on the cover. It's a simple enough claim, I suppose. "I killed X due to my ability. I thought he was Mafia." A case that would be brought against FF based upon this post alone would be a circumstantial one at best. I admittedly had a little bug under my skin about VGAddict, though I didn't want him to be the D1 lynch. I was much more interested in having someone who had a much stronger case and who had interacted much more clearly with other players. It would have been a much better informational lynch. However, I can't say that VGAddict was a poor choice... but then we get further into context in this little dialogue: Why did you decide to use your executioner so early? Well that's my role. Whether you believe me or not is up to you. I am telling the truth. I killed VGA because I thought it was worth the risk. He turned out being town and I really screwed up. I am telling you guys(and gals) that we should try to lynch mafia today. Kat asks FF a rather direct question, and FF practically ignores it. I suppose on technically you could say that FF answered it, but... I really don't think it's an earnest answer. "I thought it was worth the risk" doesn't really... give any solid information. Why? What risk? There are so many more interesting ways to answer this! Like, how about this one: "I saw that the vote had suddenly become a three-way split between three people, and I was worried about time expiring, so I took the shot." Or... "I decided to use my ability against VGAddict instead of XX Stone and Blrasmu because..." These are very forthcoming answers; they're very town answers. They explain exactly what was running through your head at the time in gross detail and provide a reasonable excuse as to why you made the call you did instead of just tossing it up there and trying to skirt around the issue. And that's what's so absurd about it. Especially when you factor in a post he made earlier today: I don't know what happened, but I am honestly surprised VGA was town. Conversation was already trickling in about why in the world VGA was dead; this seemed actually a more interesting phenomenon than the fact that there weren't deaths last night, so it really doesn't sound like he's replying to questions over the latter; instead, he's up and saying that he allegedly knew nothing about VGA's mysterious death. Now, of course this could be a mask in order to cover up the fact that he was the Judge and had done so in order to throw the Mafia off the trail. But... there aren't many times when it's strategic for a Townie to lie. And when a Townie lies, it's always better if it's he or she who owns up to the lie before they're outed on it. They should be keeping active track of what they've said and confessing to it the moment they contradict themselves. But this hasn't been addressed yet, and I'm frankly surprised by it. It just sounds like a really bad cover-up. But then we move onto post three... I think Blras needs to post more. Without anything else, we immediately FF immediately try to pull the emergency parachute to bail out of freefall and move the aim onto someone else... someone who was conveniently addressed yesterday. This has got to be the oldest trick in the old Mafia-aligned playbook that I've ever seen. "Boy, I sure am Town! Heh heh heh. Hey everybody, look at that guy! A distraction! *flee*" I don't like any of this. I do believe that Soft is still a better (if at least safer) lynch today, and her nonresponsiveness to the accusation is telling, oh so very much, but I feel compelled to put a stake in the ground on this one if only for the time being. Vote: FatalFiend
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 14, 2012 9:25:58 GMT -6
Day ends in 36 hours. My request to hammer stands. If we don't lynch her today I will be so pissed.
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Post by fatalfiend37 on Oct 14, 2012 9:39:17 GMT -6
We are so screwed. I didn't IGNORE her question. I answered it, I used my ability so early because I thought it was worth a shot. I basically explained why I used it before she even asked. The risk was that VGA could have been town, but at the time I thought mafia, so I went with my gut and lynched him. As for my "I don't know what happened" that was towards why there was no real kill last night, only a modkill. Not like anyone's gonna believe me anyway. I'm still standing my vote on Soft.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 14, 2012 9:44:23 GMT -6
How are we screwed? We have a confirmed scum and a LOT of mutual suspects. Or...is only the scumteam screwed
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Post by The Missing Link on Oct 14, 2012 9:45:50 GMT -6
Day ends in 36 hours. My request to hammer stands. If we don't lynch her today I will be so pissed. 36 hours is a lot of time still, and so long as we're having legitimate dialogue, I'm not interested in ending the day early. Rest assured that, so log as there's a viable Mafia candidate on the blocks, I *will* vote for a lynch. Until then, what's the rush, Katty? Mod, can we have a vote count?
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 14, 2012 9:48:25 GMT -6
I know it's a lot of time, I'm not in a rush. I just wanted to remind you people.
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Post by fatalfiend37 on Oct 14, 2012 9:48:52 GMT -6
How are we screwed? We have a confirmed scum and a LOT of mutual suspects. Or...is only the scumteam screwed Well so far. We have 2 dead town. If I end up getting lynched, that's 3 dead town, and no mafia. If we lynch soft today, and she is actually mafia, then that's 2 dead town, 1 dead mafia. Townies lynching townies is what I meant by "we're screwed" because right now there's more dead town than mafia.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 14, 2012 9:52:54 GMT -6
We're lynching scumsoft today.
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Post by fatalfiend37 on Oct 14, 2012 9:55:31 GMT -6
I'm not really sure how many votes we have for, 3, 4? Somethin' like that.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 14, 2012 10:17:49 GMT -6
We really need robbie and gg.
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Post by Squeege on Oct 14, 2012 10:55:36 GMT -6
Votecount 2
Softguitar (3) - Erniewan, monstrman, Fatalfiend Blrasmu (1) - Nyan Kat Fatalfiend (1) - TML
With 10 Alive, it's still 6 to lynch. Day ends Tuesday, October 16, 11pm EST. Prodding Robbie, GG, and Blrasmu. Robbie and GG are in danger of being modkilled/replaced if they don't provide content toDay.
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Post by fatalfiend37 on Oct 14, 2012 11:05:39 GMT -6
I have a bad feeling Robbie is gonna be modkilled. GG and Blras seem like they would post eventually, but Robbie is just inactive all over the internet.
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Post by Erniewan on Oct 14, 2012 11:16:46 GMT -6
Looks like robbie was just on the site. I hope all these people post or that you can find replacements, because it's terrible to lose the game due to modkills. fatalfiend: What is your role name called? As far as I know, that isn't the "Judge" role, they prevent lynches. And while vga was suspicious, he wasn't nearly a big enough suspect to warrant being executed, especially since he only had 2 votes.
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Post by fatalfiend37 on Oct 14, 2012 12:11:38 GMT -6
Looks like robbie was just on the site. I hope all these people post or that you can find replacements, because it's terrible to lose the game due to modkills. fatalfiend: What is your role name called? As far as I know, that isn't the "Judge" role, they prevent lynches. And while vga was suspicious, he wasn't nearly a big enough suspect to warrant being executed, especially since he only had 2 votes. My role name is called "Town Judge".
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Post by The Game Guy on Oct 14, 2012 13:31:30 GMT -6
I'm actually gonna go ahead and say that I somewhat believe FF's claim, and will explain my logic behind doing so.
Let's assume for a moment that FF really is mafia and an executioner. Now, assuming this is the fairly standard role, he would get to kill anyone with a vote on them. On D1, XX, VGA, and Blras, all had votes placed on them when the day ended, meaning that he could have chose either of these three to kill. Obviously, he should choose the one that would benefit the mafia the most.
Killing Blra would probably not be the best idea, assuming he is town. He seems to be a major suspicion to most people, and as such is a nice distraction that the mafia would want to keep around.
VGA is pretty much the same as Blra. After his reaction to XX's claim, it looked like he would be next to be scrutinized. Sure, considering how late in the day this happened, there probably wouldn't have been a lynch, but it could have happened the next day, and prevented a mafiat from being lynched.
XX Stone, on the other hand, seems to have escaped scrutiny after his claim, and unless he screwed up (again) he most likely wouldn't have been lynched. He also had a role that could possibly catch a mafiat, and honestly I'm a bit surprised he didn't show up dead today.
If my logic is correct, if FF were indeed mafia it would have been in his best interests to kill XX, not VGA. That's why I think its slightly more likely than not that he is town, despite some of his posts being less than stellar so far. HOWEVER, if he is indeed mafia, I think we would know one thing for sure: XX is pretty likely to be mafia, and FF didn't kill him because they're scumbuddies.
If there is a fatal fiend flaw in my logic, I would appreciate someone pointing it out to me. Reads will be coming VERY soon, I just didn't want to delay a post from myself further than it has been.
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