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Post by Erniewan on Oct 18, 2012 18:04:49 GMT -6
If you didn't kill blrasmu, then who did? Please don't tell me we have an indie too...
Also, I killed FF because too many things just didn't add up. He executed a townie on Day 1, his role was Executioner rather than Judge, and when soft flipped as Mafia Assassin, I thought perhaps that she could have been the one who killed vgaddict and he was taking the credit. He was one of my top suspects and I couldn't take the chance that he was mafia.
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Post by The Game Guy on Oct 18, 2012 18:13:09 GMT -6
Oh crap didn't see the whole trust list thing until now. OK lets see...
Ernie: For fairly obvious reasons, I mean, the chances of him outing one of his fellow mafiats just seems way too slim. I don't really like how he killed FF though...
TML: Been consistently posting and was most likely responsible for the lack of kills D1. His role is believable, and his playstyle so far has been very pro-town.
Monstr: Still kinda null about him, but until today he was putting a lot of effort into the game. I'm not really sure what to think about the whole claiming a dead role thing, it's possible he just made a mistake but IDK...
XX: I'm not liking how he's so quick to vote already, I mean the day barely started dude we have sooooo much to discuss and you're already ready to lynch the obvious guy. Seems like you want the day to end pretty fast...also, his lack of actual results kinda sucks and there's still the whole D1 fiasco. D2 did make him seem a bit better to me though.
Robbie: By virtue of being here the least out of us six, I have to put my doubt on him. Still he's not THAT much worse than XX. His claim seems fairly believable, but knowing other's Karma seems like something the mafia would want to know more, not the town. Preventing mafia from being gained also sounds fairly anti-town, and he's using pretty weak reasoning on his suspicions.
Also, I did not start with 3 Karma.
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Post by XX Stone on Oct 18, 2012 18:31:02 GMT -6
XX, I would appreciate it if you could confirm that you lost Karma. Wait, what? I've still got all of mine.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 18, 2012 18:42:21 GMT -6
I target dead people and then learn abilities from them. Thats it. And fine, id you dont trust me, vote me, then when i flip town wagon robbie. I can point out at least thirty different similar mistakes ive made across every game ive ever played both as town and mafia. My main suspicion died and flipped mafia. If you want to lynch me because of something i do in literally -every- game, then you seriously need to rethink your playing style. Trust me, idf i were scum i would -not-be mess up something as important as a roleclaim.
Also you said you targetted blras last night thats what i read. If you didnt kill him, he literally died for no reason.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 18, 2012 18:43:34 GMT -6
I hate... this phone...
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Post by monstrman on Oct 18, 2012 18:47:08 GMT -6
Also im tellin you im at least 80% on xx being town. Srsly, i feel it in my zombie bones. It's robbiecon.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 18, 2012 18:56:00 GMT -6
Or we could kill two birds with one stone, lynch robbie shoot xx if robbie isnt scum.
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Post by Erniewan on Oct 18, 2012 19:05:14 GMT -6
Technically that's two birds with two stones... but I was thinking that before. The only problem is if neither of them is mafia. And we still have an unexplained kill...
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Post by The Missing Link on Oct 18, 2012 20:22:30 GMT -6
Before I pose my theory, I have to ask you a question TML. If you were targeted and Monstr was targeted, would you both be safe? What if one of you was targeted twice?/quote] As I understand my role, my secondary ability redirects any kill on the protected to myself. And I believe all redirections occur before any kills take place. The moment I am attacked, my Karma drops to zero, thereby removing my Armor capability. Therefore it is my belief that, if two kills in totality were aimed at Monstrman and myself, I would have died. But not Monstrman.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 18, 2012 20:41:58 GMT -6
Heres the dealio. Tml and ernie are both telling the truth. If tml was lying and scum, then the only explanation for the lack of kill night one is that gg blocked xx, and -both- xx and tml are scum. I find this to be extremely unlikely, therefore tml is the reason there was no kill night one and the block on xx did nothing, because he didnt perform a night kill. Now, mostly gut feeling, i think xx is likely town, and robbie so far has done what this game? Offer up no suspicions, jump on soft at endgame, then give two suspicions with little basis aside from opportunistic gameplay. Hes lurked all game, and cant even commit to his biggest suspicion with a vote? What were his suspicons earlier? Oh yeah, he had none. I distinctly remember gg asking robbie who he thought was mafia, and robbie gave no response. It's cut and dry as far as im concerned.
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Post by Erniewan on Oct 18, 2012 20:48:02 GMT -6
You can talk to dead people, monstrman? Do you know what Kat's role did?
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Post by monstrman on Oct 18, 2012 20:52:02 GMT -6
I cant yet, but i can once i use the spell tonight.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 18, 2012 20:53:51 GMT -6
What we can do is lynch robbie, ill find out what kats role did, then gg shoots no one and we abstain, having gg shoot xx. If xx dies and flips not scum, gg is lying.
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Post by The Game Guy on Oct 18, 2012 20:56:56 GMT -6
Monstr, that's not true. Since there were THREE kills today I'm pretty sure there's some other killing role out there. If TML could only protect from one kill and Ernie didn't kill then that still leaves one kill unaccounted for. Now, the fact that XX claims he did not lose Karma like he should've either means I got redirected to the killer somehow or XX is lying. At least, that's how I see it in my head, maybe I'm forgetting something.
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Post by The Game Guy on Oct 18, 2012 20:58:19 GMT -6
Yeah Monstr, because I'll totally live long enough for that plan to work >__>
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Post by Erniewan on Oct 18, 2012 21:04:20 GMT -6
GG, can you please double check your role and the action you took last night to make sure there wasn't a possibility that you killed blrasmu?
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Post by The Game Guy on Oct 18, 2012 21:08:31 GMT -6
I specified that I would be shooting my Polar Star at Blra, so unless I'm not allowed to use my old guns when I grab a new one I'm pretty sure I was not responsible for his death, though I wish I was because this makes things pretty complicated :/
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Post by The Game Guy on Oct 18, 2012 21:22:44 GMT -6
Oh yeah, and before anyone possibly suggests Kats role was possibly a protective role and that's what accounts for the kill, she already claimed she abstained N1. Just saying, because the idea came into my head.
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Post by Erniewan on Oct 18, 2012 21:24:33 GMT -6
I guess verify with Squeege, because we kinda need to know.
Robbiecon: If you are Town, you need to stay active here with us. We need to figure this out.
Everyone: If Robbiecon and XX Stone die, and the game is not over (whether one of them is mafia or not), who would be the next person to look at?
It's a tough question, because if there's an indie, he could very well be gunning mafia during the day. Both monstrman and GG have yet to really prove their abilities, even if their day records check out.
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Post by The Game Guy on Oct 18, 2012 21:31:32 GMT -6
Well, I guess the answer is obvious to me, since I can't really pick myself. Monstr's posts today have been...sloppier than usual, and that plan is totally ridiculous if there really is a mafiat and an indy.
Yeah I'll try to verify with Squeege about my role just to be completely sure Ernie.
I don't suppose you'll answer your own question will you?
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Post by Erniewan on Oct 18, 2012 21:50:01 GMT -6
Well, I'd like to wait and see what the more suspicious folks everyone else has to say first.
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Post by Erniewan on Oct 18, 2012 21:51:06 GMT -6
Though to be honest, I'm not completely sure yet. I'd like to trust you both.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 18, 2012 22:50:58 GMT -6
Well if there's another killing role out there, it's between GG lying, robbie, xx and myself. I can prove my night action tonight by telling you guys kat's role (though I guess it would still be up to you guys to believe me) GG can prove his tonight by killing the person we don't lynch. There is 0 chance of losing.
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Post by The Game Guy on Oct 19, 2012 4:47:02 GMT -6
Alright, well now I'm completely sure I used the Polar Star last night.
Monstr, I'd really love to believe it were that easy, but I can't help but feel like we're missing something important...
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Post by monstrman on Oct 19, 2012 11:07:37 GMT -6
Ernie is town. TML is town. If you kill XX, you prove your role, I prove my role tonight by finding out Kat's role, we lynch Robbie, who is the -only- person left. I don't see how it isn't that easy, because it is.
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Post by XX Stone on Oct 19, 2012 12:41:07 GMT -6
And why the hell have I been labeled off as a mafiat? And if GG kills me, he's confirmed town? How does that make any sense? It's not like the mafia have the ability to kill or anything.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 19, 2012 12:46:10 GMT -6
Because if only you die, he's mafia, assuming robbie is town. Otherwise, robbie is the mafia.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 19, 2012 12:48:01 GMT -6
it can't be TML or ernie, and that leaves you me gg and robbie. I can prove my role tonight, gg can shoot you if robbie isn't mafia. If you don't die, he's lying. If you die and flip town, he's lying. Either way, if the game isn't over tomorrow we lynch gg and then it is. But robbie is the last mafiat.
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Post by XX Stone on Oct 19, 2012 13:43:58 GMT -6
All that the mafia would have to do is abstain tonight, then they'd win the game. (Assuming it's NOT me, GG or robbie) I don't like risking the outcome of the game in a scenario where I'm killed off.
I don't believe you're mafia, and TML and Ernie have good claims and actions supporting them. What I'm worried about though is if something goes wrong here. It's a big risk.
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Post by XX Stone on Oct 19, 2012 13:44:58 GMT -6
My reasoning for not thinking you're mafia is because you were so keen to lynch blrasmu day 2. You're good in my book.
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