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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 6, 2012 20:43:55 GMT -6
No, it's always a cop-out lynch. There's no point.
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Post by monstrman on Aug 6, 2012 21:09:02 GMT -6
Everyone: If you were able to lynch one person just with your vote alone, who would you choose? Everyone: If you had to give the name of one person you were at least mostly sure was townie, who would you say? Everyone: What do you think of Ramenking? I personally feel like he's acting seriously right now, which could be a telltale sign of town, but at the same time he's leaving out information... which is indicative of scum wagoning. Of course, I could be wrong on all fronts and he could just be joking, but I really do sense an air of seriousness in there. NPR: What's your plan for this game? Got any suspects in mind?
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Post by NPR on Aug 6, 2012 21:41:10 GMT -6
My plan is to watch people posting differently than normal, particularly more than usual to earn more EP than they normally would, for a special ability. Then again, though, I can see both town and mafia posting more to get more EP, but getting more EP will be a higher priority for the mafia then a town.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 6, 2012 21:46:29 GMT -6
Why do you believe EP is more important to mafia than to town?
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Post by NPR on Aug 6, 2012 22:07:02 GMT -6
Imagine that there are 2 people, both have a special ability that requires an insane amount of EP. One is a mafiat, the other is a townie. Who would want to use this powerful action more? Not to mention who would have the more powerful actions, a mafiat or a townie?
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 6, 2012 22:25:54 GMT -6
um no they should want sufficient EP equally badly because both sides have power roles and both sides should want to use them. Unusually high activity is therefore a null tell.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 6, 2012 22:26:10 GMT -6
On the upside, if you're this stupid, you're probably town.
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Post by monstrman on Aug 6, 2012 22:33:40 GMT -6
NPR is like... always town anyway.
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Post by monstrman on Aug 6, 2012 22:34:12 GMT -6
We're always like "LYNCH NPR!" Then he's like "I was town all along!" and then we go... "Should have seen that one coming..."
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 6, 2012 22:37:06 GMT -6
Except for the time when he was scum in my game that just finished?
and some other times when he was scum......?
@_@
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 6, 2012 22:40:03 GMT -6
For all of you people claiming to be Batman, MAHRER CHRERSTMAHS.
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Post by monstrman on Aug 6, 2012 22:43:38 GMT -6
^^OH YEAH WELL... SHUT UP! UH TAKE THAT. BET YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE COMING.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 6, 2012 22:45:04 GMT -6
ERBJERKSHUN
no u
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Post by Linnet on Aug 6, 2012 23:03:02 GMT -6
Imagine that there are 2 people, both have a special ability that requires an insane amount of EP. One is a mafiat, the other is a townie. Who would want to use this powerful action more? Not to mention who would have the more powerful actions, a mafiat or a townie? Kat already said this but, uh, why the heck would town want to use a powerful action any less than the mafia? Are you thinking along the lines of "vigilantes have nightkills but often abstain from using them because the odds are initially against them and they may do more harm than good --> all power roles work the same way"? Doctor's a pretty powerful role. So's busdriver, and any number of other roles where the person would likely not want to abstain. Anyway, this doesn't hold up for another reason: the other point of the EP system (I'm guessing) is to promote activity. Basically you're saying that if someone uses it as intended (being more active than they otherwise might) it's a scum tell. None of this really makes any sense.
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Post by NPR on Aug 6, 2012 23:15:22 GMT -6
To answer your question Linnet, (hopefully) Bus drivers and vigilantes, for instance, would both be more harmful than helpful until later in the game, not to mention any other role Erniewan/Soft might have cooked up.
The mafia only has so many actions, and they want to be firing on all cylinders in a game this size. So yes, the mafia will want to use their actions more than the town. While in previous games, we have had inactive mafiats, I don't think that we will have any inactive mafiats in this game.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 6, 2012 23:19:21 GMT -6
Again, I'm preeeeetty sure that players of all alignments will want to be active. Even if you would wait until later in the game to use some abilities, why not start saving up BP now? If you wait, you may not be able to use your ability when you really need it. They do stack, after all.
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Post by ramenking on Aug 6, 2012 23:25:36 GMT -6
Holy woah, Ernie wasn't kidding about this game being more active. I love it. The games on this site are so creative. I'll definitely be stealing the item concept for a game of mine. Also that facebook page is amazing. Kat's play already is way different than CYOC. Like seriously. You can here forth be my town bud. Doc should should be on one of me and Kat for the rest of the game. Or just me :3 Ramenking: Why do you want to lynch Linnet? I don't n_n. Kat is correct in her analysis. Vote: Doc[/color]
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Post by monstrman on Aug 6, 2012 23:26:07 GMT -6
Not to mention, I don't think that it will entirely change people's playstyle's all that much. There was a similar mechanic in MvC mafia over on VGF, and a lot of mafiats still remained inactive throughout the course of the game. Sure, they posted, but they still lurked.
Point being, I don't think the EP system clears people who are inactive. They still could very easily be mafia being inactive because it's easier that way.
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Post by ramenking on Aug 6, 2012 23:34:31 GMT -6
My plan is to watch people posting differently than normal, particularly more than usual to earn more EP than they normally would, for a special ability. Then again, though, I can see both town and mafia posting more to get more EP, but getting more EP will be a higher priority for the mafia then a town. Woah didn't even see this. I'm sorry but, wut? This is just not true at all... Town abilities are generally more important to town than mafia abilities are to mafia, simply by the fact that there are more possAbilities (c wut i did thar?) for town to have. This just doesn't seem like a legitimate process at all. I get the feeling that you're saying this as a maf member who knows all the goodins they have
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Post by ramenking on Aug 6, 2012 23:35:17 GMT -6
EBWOP: thought Process*
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Post by Linnet on Aug 6, 2012 23:41:12 GMT -6
Just another thing to point out: we don't know what anyone else might be doing to get bonus EP. Scum could potentially fulfill a bonus condition, get plenty of EP, and still look like they're less active.
I just don't think it's a safe thing to bet on.
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Post by malick2037 on Aug 6, 2012 23:42:11 GMT -6
Everyone: If you were able to lynch one person just with your vote alone, who would you choose? Everyone: If you had to give the name of one person you were at least mostly sure was townie, who would you say? Everyone: What do you think of Ramenking? I personally feel like he's acting seriously right now, which could be a telltale sign of town, but at the same time he's leaving out information... which is indicative of scum wagoning. Of course, I could be wrong on all fronts and he could just be joking, but I really do sense an air of seriousness in there. malick: You're new, so I guess I'll ask you what do you think is a good way of finding out who the scum is in your experience? How do people who are scum appear town? I would lynch ramen because of his not explaining on his votes. Seems very scummy that he flip flops votes and doesn't say why I am pretty sure GG is town. I explained what I thought about ramenking The way I see finding out who is town or mafia is by seeing changes in attitude between games that's why I'm not so good right now. I would prefer killing inactives. I agree this game needs players who are active so town can use their abilities. Also sorry this is not my job, but ramen why don't you answer monstrman hmmm?
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Post by malick2037 on Aug 6, 2012 23:45:50 GMT -6
Just another thing to point out: we don't know what anyone else might be doing to get bonus EP. Scum could potentially fulfill a bonus condition, get plenty of EP, and still look like they're less active. I just don't think it's a safe thing to bet on. I think Ernie put in the EP system so people would post more, not to post less.
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Post by ramenking on Aug 6, 2012 23:48:30 GMT -6
Also sorry this is not my job, but ramen why don't you answer monstrman hmmm? I assume you're referring to the @ everyone questions. Answer is because I find them to be incredibly useless questions. The first two questions are the exact same questions worded differently and are both asking who we think is scum when we barely have anything to go off of yet. As for you voting me for voting without any reason, lolwut? Why would I have reasoning at this point. I'm just testing the waters yo. I find it quite interesting for you to use this as a reason to vote me when you have played with me before and know this is how I find scum. By the way do you guys not have RVS here?
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Post by monstrman on Aug 6, 2012 23:51:17 GMT -6
^it's called gut feelings. You don't always have to have evidence against someone to read into a post.
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Post by monstrman on Aug 6, 2012 23:53:23 GMT -6
Also: one is asking who you think is scum, and one is asking who you think is town. It's not hard to read into a post and sense genuine scumhunting.
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Post by Linnet on Aug 6, 2012 23:54:19 GMT -6
I think Ernie put in the EP system so people would post more, not to post less. I actually agree with you and I've said this further up, but I wanted to point out that part of NPR's reasoning might be flawed. I don't think it's the likeliest explanation, mind you. By the way do you guys not have RVS here? I've been away for a while so I don't know how things typically go, but yes and no. We had pretty good luck recently with skipping the random flailing and going into questioning - someone's answers can still provide information, even if we don't have any real facts to go off of at this stage. As fun as it is I don't think purely random voting is very useful.
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Post by ramenking on Aug 7, 2012 0:03:08 GMT -6
Also: one is asking who you think is scum, and one is asking who you think is town. It's not hard to read into a post and sense genuine scumhunting. Totally read the second questions as "person you least likely think is town". >.> To answer your first: Doc because he's useless. Second: I currently have a town read on Kat. Still both silly questions for the start of the game. I myself only have a town read because I actually sought out to read her.
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Post by ramenking on Aug 7, 2012 0:07:23 GMT -6
It's not hard to read into a post and sense genuine scumhunting. Also please do tell me which posts you found genuine scumhunting from by the time you posted your questions :3 Everyone had just been making introduction posts and claiming batman up to that point. So yeah I really don't see how you could expect serious answers from those.
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Post by Erniewan on Aug 7, 2012 7:13:32 GMT -6
LordManiMani has been replaced by Caleton. It's been a long time. Welcome back, Caleton!
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