CoolPeopleIGuess
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Post by CoolPeopleIGuess on Aug 2, 2012 19:52:05 GMT -6
^Interesting. What makes you so comfortable with it?
I still want answers/questions from everyone
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Post by Linnet on Aug 2, 2012 20:35:00 GMT -6
Everyone: Any gut feelings on suspects? Not much. PhyrexianSheep using that chain of jokevotes to put a vote on me was kind of weird, that felt sort of out of place to me but maybe it's just me? I'm actually not very used to games this small, so: what do y'all think of as an ideal strategy for a game like this?
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Post by Kirby on Aug 2, 2012 20:46:22 GMT -6
I agree, softclaiming is pretty much nameclaiming in a game this small. Would probably do more harm than good.
Suspicions... well, I can see the NPR suspicions. Though he might just be NPR.
I'd like for Malick to post more so we can get a better read, so I'll direct my question to him. Since CPIG (can i call you guys that) already asked your suspicions, I'll ask an alternative: What did you learn in the last few games? Do you have a better feel for how to play?
As for Linnet: I think the best strategy is for each of us to make our own trust lists; in a game this small, it might be easier to eliminate the players we believe are not mafia and pursue the ones who we are less sure of.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 2, 2012 21:24:17 GMT -6
ROLE CALL
CoolPeopleIGuess (2): Kirby, CoolPeopleIGuess [L-2] NPR (1): PhyrexianSheep No vote: NPR, Hercules, malick, Linnet
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day ends Sunday, August 5 at 4 PM US Eastern.
Activity check: Everyone's good right now![/color]
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CoolPeopleIGuess
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Post by CoolPeopleIGuess on Aug 2, 2012 21:31:34 GMT -6
Hmm... I think it's too early to say I trust/distrust everyone. I think that we should keep an eye on the phyrexian sheep/npr thing because it's the first TRUE vote of the day. Or so they say. At this point, I'm going to wait until everyone answers my questions/asks their own before I make any calls on who to seriously vote. Linnet: the above is pretty much my strategy. Get people to talk as much as possible, because the more you talk the bigger hole you dig.
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Post by malick2037 on Aug 2, 2012 21:56:01 GMT -6
Kirby Yes I do understand more on how to play. I'm still not going to be great. I'm learning on how to include more context to my posts. Also Vote: CoolPeopleIGuess[/color] because I believe their vote on themselves is a bit suspicious and possibly a way to deter votes on them.
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Post by CoolPeopleIGuess on Aug 2, 2012 22:05:55 GMT -6
So you totally ignore my question then. That's cool.
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Post by Kirby on Aug 2, 2012 22:09:03 GMT -6
In a way, he answered it by voting you... I mean that's a suspicion.
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Post by CoolPeopleIGuess on Aug 2, 2012 22:09:45 GMT -6
Well yeah, but he didn't ask anyone a question. Meaning he really just skimmed my posts =/
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Post by malick2037 on Aug 2, 2012 23:12:36 GMT -6
I have no clue on what to ask though. It's not like I'm going to be OH MAH GERD MASS CLAIM D1.
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Post by CoolPeopleIGuess on Aug 2, 2012 23:26:28 GMT -6
Anything. I'm just trying to stimulate conversation.
Even if it's just "So (person A) what do you think of (person b)?"
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Post by PhyrexianSheep on Aug 2, 2012 23:30:14 GMT -6
CoolPeople is at L-1. Someone needs to unvote him/them before someone accidentally lynches him.
@malick: What makes you think that scum would self-vote? How would self voting get attention away from oneself?
On NPR: His second post felt a little too... safe. Like he wasn't really saying anything, but trying to look like he was saying something. I also very slightly agreed with what Hercules said in his one post. NPR's last post felt a little more genuine... but not quite enough for me to unvote.
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Post by PhyrexianSheep on Aug 2, 2012 23:32:59 GMT -6
Oh yeah, and we don't need to focus on who we trust. We need to play this game like any other game, and look for scum.
That said, Linnet is my strongest town read. I wish I could explain why, but it's mostly that she just comes across as genuine (maybe you can explain it better DM?)
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Post by Kirby on Aug 2, 2012 23:36:01 GMT -6
Oh yeah, Unvote: CPIG[/color]. I'll have to reconsider my vote tomorrow though, because I'm off to bed. You have a good point about NPR, but I need to reread.
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Post by malick2037 on Aug 2, 2012 23:44:13 GMT -6
@psheep I think that because my logic leads me to very random conclusions. They would vote themselves to act like a "joke" because why would a mafia vote them self?
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Post by PhyrexianSheep on Aug 3, 2012 0:14:01 GMT -6
And why do you think that's more likely than him voting himself to get reactions from people?
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Post by Linnet on Aug 3, 2012 1:02:01 GMT -6
PhyrexianSheep using that chain of jokevotes to put a vote on me was kind of weird, that felt sort of out of place to me but maybe it's just me? I'm dumb and missed the unvote on this before. Just going to go ahead and redact this particular opinion, since I'd thought you snuck in a "joke" vote and kept it, but that was obviously wrong.
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Post by Linnet on Aug 3, 2012 1:06:31 GMT -6
@psheep I think that because my logic leads me to very random conclusions. They would vote themselves to act like a "joke" because why would a mafia vote them self? This is pretty weak reasoning I think? I dunno, I just think it's more likely that it'd be two people goofing off together than some sort of nefarious plot. Mostly because I can't see any good reason for scum to do this, what would the point be? If you were going for some sort of wacky look-at-how-nutty-I-am-guys affectation maybe, but if you're doing that while everyone else is talking seriously it'll only attract negative attention.
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Post by Hercules on Aug 3, 2012 12:24:43 GMT -6
I'd like to see a day one lynch in this game, and right now there are two people that I feel would be worthy targets of this lynch.
One is NPR, for reasons I have already stated. He is the more likely of the two, so I will be voting for him now, as he is the highest up on my suspicion list.
Vote: NPR[/color].
The second is Malick. The logic behind his posts is... confusing. It's like he's trying to seem town, but isn't quite sure how he would do that. There's also the on-the-fence statements that make him look like he's putting his point across, but really he has not said anything of any worth.
An example of this would be when he said "They would vote themselves to act like a "joke" because why would a mafia vote them self?"
This can lead to multiple conclusions:
1) They're not mafia because a mafia wouldn't do that. 2) They're mafia but they're pretending they're not, because mafia wouldn't do that. 3) They're town, because mafia wouldn't do that.
It also works as an attempt to put some suspicion onto CPIG, because it's like saying "They're trying to make themselves into a joke so nobody would vote for them. Therefore, we should vote for them because they don't want us to."
That's my $0.02 on my suspicions right now.
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Post by NPR on Aug 3, 2012 13:01:11 GMT -6
CoolPeople is at L-1. Someone needs to unvote him/them before someone accidentally lynches him. @malick: What makes you think that scum would self-vote? How would self voting get attention away from oneself? On NPR: His second post felt a little too... safe. Like he wasn't really saying anything, but trying to look like he was saying something. I also very slightly agreed with what Hercules said in his one post. NPR's last post felt a little more genuine... but not quite enough for me to unvote. Lemme get this straight: i make a post telling the hydras not to fight with each other to avoid spam, and then you make a joke vote on me (you copied MF's post restriction, making me at least think it was a joke vote.) I make another post, about the hydras fooling around, and suddenly i'm the prime candidate for a D1 lynch in a 7 player game. yes, D1 lynches are usually helpful, but with a possible 5 players left in the morning after a mislynch, the town is fucked. For anyone looking to vote for me on my inactivity: i'm working 2 jobs, both of which are taking up more and more time. I don't have the time to make 1 large, thoughtful post on my phone. And for future reference, this will happen in every game i'm in until september/october right now, i'm looking at the 2 people trying to get an NPR lynch off. If we do pull off a D1 lynch, which I don't recommend in a game this small, i myself would love to start on the 2 people using weak reasoning trying to lynch me. /rant
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Post by PhyrexianSheep on Aug 3, 2012 15:03:42 GMT -6
The second is Malick. The logic behind his posts is... confusing. It's like he's trying to seem town, but isn't quite sure how he would do that. There's also the on-the-fence statements that make him look like he's putting his point across, but really he has not said anything of any worth. I disagree. To me, it looks like Malick is town and just has no idea what he's doing. I don't see the act. That said, Linnet is my strongest town read. I wish I could explain why, but it's mostly that she just comes across as genuine (maybe you can explain it better DM?) Eh, I probably could, but it's not important right now, so I don't feel like it . Though I don't think I'm quite as sure as you are. Lemme get this straight: i make a post telling the hydras not to fight with each other to avoid spam, and then you make a joke vote on me (you copied MF's post restriction, making me at least think it was a joke vote.) I make another post, about the hydras fooling around, and suddenly i'm the prime candidate for a D1 lynch in a 7 player game. yes, D1 lynches are usually helpful, but with a possible 5 players left in the morning after a mislynch, the town is f***ed. For anyone looking to vote for me on my inactivity: i'm working 2 jobs, both of which are taking up more and more time. I don't have the time to make 1 large, thoughtful post on my phone. And for future reference, this will happen in every game i'm in until september/october right now, i'm looking at the 2 people trying to get an NPR lynch off. If we do pull off a D1 lynch, which I don't recommend in a game this small, i myself would love to start on the 2 people using weak reasoning trying to lynch me. /rant First of all, the fact that this is a 7-player game doesn't make a difference when it comes to lynching D1. Yes, mislynching is especially bad in a small game...but the same goes for no-lynching. If we no-lynch now, then tomorrow we'll be at 6 players and basically the same position. Also, the fact that it's an odd number of players means that we definitely want to lynch every day. Second, my brother didn't copy MF's(?) post restriction; MF(?) copied my brother. I'm not exactly sure of what to make of this post, though I think it makes me want to unvote you. I think I'll leave the vote on while I think about it and to give my brother a chance to give his input. -- I've basically POE'd it down to 3 people I could be convinced to lynch today: NPR, Hercules, and Kirby. NPR for reasons my brother already mentioned. I really didn't like Hercules's "pussyfoot" post on NPR. Kirby....I just have nothing on. Right now I think Hercules is my best bet, but I do want to see what my brother says.
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Post by Kirby on Aug 3, 2012 20:08:53 GMT -6
I don't know if Phyrexian's vote on NPR was a joke vote or not. They(?) seemed really serious about it but they didn't really state their reason for voting him until recently...
What's your stance on D1 lynching, Phyrexian?
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Post by Kirby on Aug 3, 2012 20:51:01 GMT -6
I can see what NPR was saying about not lynching with such few players. Just a mistake, and we're down a potential power player. But if I recall in Harper's Island, we lynched the Jester on Day 1 and still came out on top. Sometimes sacrifices have to be made in order to get that info we need to figure out who the mafia is.
Phrexian has a good point about the odd number though. If the mafia hits 1 tonight, and we didn't lynch, we'll be stuck with 6 alive and 4 to lynch, making it quite hard. Though technically if we mislynched today and lost someone tonight, we'd be in a similar boat, depending on if the mafia know each other, with 5 alive and 3 to lynch. But the difference is that we'd have some info, and that makes the decision all that much easier (not to mention gives us direction with night actions).
I'm not too sure about NPR yet though, since he could just be playing it safe and just not looking at the long game. I haven't really seen the suspicion on Malick yet, though I didn't see it in the last game until late either because I thought he was just being new.
I'd be willing to lynch Hercules at this point though. He voted for NPR on reasons stated earlier (for trying to mediate), I would think he would revisit his reasoning, to me it seemed like he was trying to latch on to Phrexian's suspicion.
Vote: Hercules[/color]
And I'd like to hear more from Linnet and CPIG. Who are your suspicions now?
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Post by PhyrexianSheep on Aug 3, 2012 20:51:52 GMT -6
*Thumbs up* Actually, MF had (or faked, I guess) the lisp post restriction in Princess Bride Mafia (he was the priest). I was actually trying to refer to the Wonderpets* though, not MF's PR. *if you had a 3 year old nephew, you'd reference the Wonderpets too. Agreed, the emotion I'm getting there isn't faked. He's pretty convinced in his opinions. Unvote: [/color] Yeah, let's go with Hercules. Vote: Hercules[/color] ~ @soft: Yeah the vote was serious, I didn't state my reason because I didn't feel like it, and because I wanted to see NPR's reaction. Also, yeah, we're lynching D1. We really can't afford to no lynch (for the reasons my bro said), unless the town has too many power roles or something.
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Post by CoolPeopleIGuess on Aug 3, 2012 21:56:10 GMT -6
I don't really know what to think of Kirby and Malick. Kirby is kind of hovering around null territory, and I can see how malick might be suspicious, but I just think it's more likely he's a noob townie and Hercules is trying to paint him a guilty color. Possibly the same with NPR. I am always pro day one lynch, but I'm gonna wait for Hercules to defend themselves before I make any decisions on anything.
I had a hunch that Phyrexian Sheep had ulterior motives behind voting NPR, because NPR is always NPR. Scummy. Admittedly, I'm getting town-like vibes from them and it does feel somewhat like a genuine suspicion (and I also wanted it to flesh out a bit first) but if NPR flips town I'd be inclined to think something fishy might have been going on there. Uhhh Linnet null, NPR null, Hercules possible mafia..?
I suppose I could start with this, especially after we find out Herc's alignment it might prove useful. NPR/Hercules: What do you think of Phyrexian Sheep?
Phyrexian Sheep/NPR: What do you think of Kirby?
Linnet: What do you think of Malick?
Malick: what do you think of Linnet?
NPR: What do you think of Hercules?
I already have what hercules thinks of NPR so maybe this could get the ball rolling a little bit. The activity in here is a little bit stale.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Aug 3, 2012 22:46:47 GMT -6
The "I had some beer so make sure this is right plz" votecount
CoolPeopleIGuess (2): CoolPeopleIGuess, malick [L-2] Hercules (2): Kirby, PhyrexianSheep [L-2] NPR (1): Hercules No vote: NPR, Linnet
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day ends Sunday, August 5 at 4 PM US Eastern.
Activity check: Everyone's good right now![/color] side note- clicked link, had a giggle, can't stop singing that this is sewious. THANKS
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Post by Linnet on Aug 3, 2012 22:57:51 GMT -6
I have a nasty headache (I've been having issues with congestion for weeks now and it bites) so I don't really feel like doing a full suspicion/question list right now but Linnet: What do you think of Malick? I'm uncertain - the whole " scum would vote for themselves!" thing is weird and could very well be an attempt to cast suspicion, but he's a pretty new player, isn't he? I guess it's not suspicious enough for me to discount the possibility of it just being him trying to figure out how the heck you work out who's scum.
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Post by malick2037 on Aug 3, 2012 23:14:25 GMT -6
@cpig I'm leaning toward the fact that Linnet is most likely town. Linnet Yes I am fairly new.
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Post by Meow on Aug 4, 2012 9:44:00 GMT -6
Lemme get this straight: i make a post telling the hydras not to fight with each other to avoid spam, and then you make a joke vote on me (you copied MF's post restriction, making me at least think it was a joke vote.) I make another post, about the hydras fooling around, and suddenly i'm the prime candidate for a D1 lynch in a 7 player game. yes, D1 lynches are usually helpful, but with a possible 5 players left in the morning after a mislynch, the town is f***ed. For anyone looking to vote for me on my inactivity: i'm working 2 jobs, both of which are taking up more and more time. I don't have the time to make 1 large, thoughtful post on my phone. And for future reference, this will happen in every game i'm in until september/october right now, i'm looking at the 2 people trying to get an NPR lynch off. If we do pull off a D1 lynch, which I don't recommend in a game this small, i myself would love to start on the 2 people using weak reasoning trying to lynch me. /rant 1) It's not your job to tell people not to spam. Any day 1 activity is good. 2) The fact that it's a 7 player game means nothing, and quite frankly I'm suspicious of you saying we should abstain. 3) It's not weak reasoning. You may think that because it's a vote on yourself, but trying to seem helpful while persuading the town to abstain makes you seem like a mafiat. I can't really latch on to Phyrexian's suspicion when Phyrexian didn't give any suspicions. I was the first one to do so, and Phyrexian was the person who said "Yeah I agree with that"A little confused by what he said, and annoyed at his flip-flopping of votes. He didn't give a reason for his supsicion and subsequent vote, he just did it (At least from what I can see, as he hasn't given any of his own reasons) because Kirby did.
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Post by NPR on Aug 4, 2012 10:49:50 GMT -6
I didn't mean not to spam in general, i meant that inhydra banter. Yes, D1 activity is good, but not if it's inhydra banter. With normal banter, suspicionscan be made between 2 people arguing, but not if they are within a hydra. As for my "stance" on abstaining D1, that was a phone post, so i couldn't fully elaborate on my ideas. When i was about to be lynched earlier in the day, it kind of felt like Hercules was trying to bandwagon me. What i'm trying to get across is that bandwagon D1 lynches aren't usually a good idea with a possible 5 people left in the morning (4 if we have a dumb vig). Since it felt like he was trying to bandwagon me: Vote: Hercules[/color] That's L1 now, so nobody vote for him until the day is almost over, so we have as much time as possible.
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