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Post by vitritaime on Mar 16, 2012 13:27:53 GMT -6
The fact that NPR flipped what he claimed does not make 90% of what was in that post useful. You speculated about Jack's father and Juliet and Kate. Like there was literally no point to even mention them. NPR claimed Jack but you said you weren't sure who he exactly he could be and were leaning more towards Christian. How that was helpful I don't know. The last tiny paragraph of that post was somewhat useful and made sense. The rest of it, aside from addressing questions, was meaningless speculation.
And me blowing it off did not cause other people to not pay attention to it, fyi.
I have already said that as soon as NPR flipped town I made my decision to vote DP. I guess me and Kat had the same mindset. How absolutely stupid would it be of me to so obviously appear to jump on a bandwagon within seconds of the first vote being dropped? I had already made my choice, Kat just beat me to voting first.
Your vote on me seems more butthurt than anything legitimate.
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Post by robbiecon on Mar 16, 2012 13:46:39 GMT -6
Au contraire, I was theorizing about people he might have a direct connection with, although I had been mistaken to consider that they would necessarily have some kind of medical background, when the answer was more likely just the candidates, and to do with protecting the island, and not solely other people.
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Post by vitritaime on Mar 16, 2012 13:47:55 GMT -6
I'm unsure what part you are au contraire-ing
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Post by robbiecon on Mar 16, 2012 14:09:31 GMT -6
The first paragraph in general.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Mar 16, 2012 14:29:02 GMT -6
That doesn't mean it was a good...anything, robbie.
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Post by XX Stone on Mar 16, 2012 15:37:30 GMT -6
That post from xx reads like he knows squeege is town, though. unvote vote: xx stone fos: darthpokey... ...no, I'm just saying that I wouldn't be willing to vote for him based on what I've seen so far. Don't jump to conclusions.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Mar 16, 2012 15:51:22 GMT -6
I'm not willing to lynch him today either but the wording of your post was very, very off.
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Post by commonyoshi on Mar 16, 2012 16:39:55 GMT -6
Ernie closed the Day 2 thread like juuuust as I was about to post. I was gonna say though that I thought EBPS's claim was laughably bad... derp >_> It's hard to really find someone suspicious near the end because of how unexpected his claim turned up being.
I really cant fault DP for how this all turned out.
I have the notion that XX Stone is mafia though. He's one of the people that bandwagoned at the end after EBPS's claim, and I recall someone had a point of suspicion against him which I cant recall at the moment, lol. But for that reason I targeted him last night. Part of my role is a chance of a role block (in addition to other goodies), and there was only one kill last night.
I still believe there are two mafias.
So Vote: XX Stone[/b]
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Post by waehofen on Mar 16, 2012 16:41:03 GMT -6
HEY-O EVERYBODY CALM DOWN/QUIT BEING BUTTHURT/QUIT HATING CATS/CAPITAL Q IS A NICE-LOOKING LETTER ok but really robbie the point you were making about somebody being connected with Jack by flavor was completely, 100% irrelevant. It had nothing to do with what NPR actually claimed (that he recruited, or tried to recruit, another player) and wasn't helpful in particular because your reaction to NPR explicitly claiming a character was to question what character he might have been. D2, Kat called your defense of NPR "horrendous," and I called out the post in question claiming that it didn't make sense. So why haven't you gone after either of us? Editing my list: XX Stone seems paranoid about things, robbie is digging himself into a hole, kira hammered the lynch Yesterday, and I also forgot to put Squeege in there (I guess his posts are so boss that it goes without saying). OK I glanced at Squeege's post and picked up on something that I think may be significant. Whoa Ernie are you serious lol. gdi Monstr are you trying to kill us all. We came back to the Island and thats how you treat it? Vote: monstr[emphasis added] (ps - Squeege quoted capcom's post from a closed thread and included a timestamp and everything. Did he just estimate that, is there a way of getting the quote tags for a such a post I don't know about, or is it some sort of special forumz-staff ability?) (note: there are also more sinister reasons why one's character might have been here previously) I just thought that was a strange turn of phrase to use.
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Post by robbiecon on Mar 16, 2012 17:05:29 GMT -6
My post was a stream of conscience, which did come to somewhat the right conclusion in a long winded way. Morale of the story, NPR was Jack, and was lynched. Time to forget it, after all it was more of a personal attempt to validate NPR as Jack, and show off knowledge of the show. So sorry if you felt there was too much irrelevance there.
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Post by Erniewan on Mar 16, 2012 19:46:46 GMT -6
Vote Count:Voted | # | Voters | Darth Pokey | 2 | Kat T. Bard, vitritaime, XX Stone | Squeege | 0 | monstrman | kirawillwin | 1 | DrShlub | blrasmu | 1 | monstrman | XX Stone | 2 | Kat T. Bard, commonyoshi | vitritaime | 1 | robbiecon |
No vote: DarthPokey, Worthy Protoplasm, Doc, SMAP, thegameguy, Meow, kirawillwin, Captain Planet, wave57, blrasmu, capcommaster, waehofen, Squeege, CaptainOblivious, LordManiMani, Jamis With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch. Day 2 ends on Wednesday, March 21st @ 9 pm (CST).
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Post by blrasmu on Mar 17, 2012 0:02:53 GMT -6
I have the notion that XX Stone is mafia though. He's one of the people that bandwagoned at the end after EBPS's claim, and I recall someone had a point of suspicion against him which I cant recall at the moment, lol. But for that reason I targeted him last night. Part of my role is a chance of a role block (in addition to other goodies), and there was only one kill last night. I still believe there are two mafias. So Vote: XX Stone[/b][/quote] Probably the best reasoning for a lynch I've heard today. It doesn't mean he's mafia, though. He could easily be a serial killer or vig.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Mar 17, 2012 0:04:11 GMT -6
well, if he's either of those, now he's gonna claim vig. -.-
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Post by waehofen on Mar 17, 2012 0:09:35 GMT -6
"I might have roleblocked him and that might have had an effect on something" --> ok guys he's definitely a killing role
It's something, but even for a night-action-based claim it's kind of...out there? I guess I'm more inclined to vote off post-based leads but if it works, it works.
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Post by Squeege on Mar 17, 2012 13:20:03 GMT -6
Not done rereading Day 2. I promise I'll get caught up tonight, sorry it's taking me so long. Real quick, main things from Day 2 that made me unsure of Vit was how she was trying to prod inactives, and how she seemed to reevalute her reads. Okay let me rephrase what I said. I didn't blindly follow pokey in to a lynch. NPR's reactions and ridiculous claim were the reasons I voted for him. Pokey was, in my eyes, one of the big pushers of his lynch though. I think people jumped on it and NPR flipped town. That was why I decided I was putting my vote on him. I have yet had time to look back for other suspicions but I was starting of this day with a vote on Pokey because I was already iffy about him and the NPR lynch just put the icing on the cake. ok. To me, it looked like an odd reaction. But you didn't say anything about DP linking you and NPR until after XXStone voted for him, despite making a post inbetween there. Word choice is important in mafia, because it gives a clue as to how you're thinking about things. Being comfortable with a vote itself isn't necessarily scummy (in fact, Kat said something similar later on about the DP wagon, and I had no problem with that), but by the context, I think that being comfortable voting him at that point was more likely to come from scum-Vit than town-Vit. I know that you weren't the only one, but your post looked like one of the worse ones. You did sorta lay off DP and MF the next Day, which was one of the reasons I thought you seemed more town Day 2. Also: we can DEFINITELY dismiss the possibility of two mafias. That kill was either A: Dead vigilante or B: If we find another two dead tomorrow, serial killer. There are a lot of ways kills can be prevented, and the MF kill could've been mafia if they rolecopped him or something. The way Puppyducks kill yesterday was worded makes me think that we're still dealing with two mafias. That post from xx reads like he knows squeege is town, though. Can you try to explain further? So, vit, it looks like my wall of text yesterday wasn't as useless as you made it out to be. Flavor arguments weren't going to convince anyone, so yeah, it was useless. I have the notion that XX Stone is mafia though. He's one of the people that bandwagoned at the end after EBPS's claim, and I recall someone had a point of suspicion against him which I cant recall at the moment, lol. But for that reason I targeted him last night. Part of my role is a chance of a role block (in addition to other goodies), and there was only one kill last night. What is the % chance of it being a role block? (If you think this will give too much info about your role, don't answer this) (ps - Squeege quoted capcom's post from a closed thread and included a timestamp and everything. Did he just estimate that, is there a way of getting the quote tags for a such a post I don't know about, or is it some sort of special forumz-staff ability?) I just put in random numbers, I have no idea how to quote locked threads.
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Post by XX Stone on Mar 17, 2012 16:38:57 GMT -6
Well, I certainly can't confirm or deny if I was roleblocked last night, but I certainly didn't try to kill anyone else. I'd be heavily suspicious of anyone in my situation though, I can definitely see your point. But you don't want to lynch me.
As for the "bandwagon on XX Stone because he bandwagonned on NPR" bandwagon, get over it. He was acting scummy and you know it, don't try to get me lynched because it turned out wrong.
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Post by vitritaime on Mar 17, 2012 17:18:34 GMT -6
wait squeege what is weird about taking notice of people who are obviously here but not contributing? and I'm not sure what you mean by re-evaluating my leads but if I'm suspicious of someone I will generally put it out there and those suspicions are allowed to change and vary in strength throughout the game so I'm not getting what's odd about that... and the post I made in between that was "omg why are you interested in me leave me alone" directed at wae so um. It wasn't like a massively important post in which I divulge all of my secrets and suspicions and then in a later post just sort of add on a vote for pokey as an after thought. You also fail to mention how pokey also posted before xxstone and after me and in which he says "Yea if vit shows up as mafia I wouldn't be surprised if npr is mafia too. Same goes other way around. DONT FORGET THIS POST IT MAY HELP YOU IN THE FUTURE." In that post he is LITERALLY SCREAMING that we are related implying that if one of us flipped mafia, the other would too. So yea that kind of influenced my vote a little..... and aww look at you re-evaluting your leadYou did sorta lay off DP and MF the next Day, which was one of the reasons I thought you seemed more town Day 2.
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Post by Captain Oblivious on Mar 17, 2012 19:24:14 GMT -6
"they should be vigged, not lynched" Cool plan. MF/Shrek, get on that, eh?
Let's lynch Kira. Anybody opposed?
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Post by waehofen on Mar 17, 2012 19:32:06 GMT -6
D1 DP bandwagon: waehofen, NPR, XX Stone, vitritaime, capcommaster, monstrman, Kat T. Bard, Miracle FassadD1 MF bandwagon: blrasmu, Kat T. Bard, vitritaime, monstrman, Captain Oblivious, waehofen, DarthPokey A couple people voted NPR on D1: Kat T. Bard, DarthPokey, monstrmanD2 NPR bandwagon: DarthPokey, waehofen, monstrman, Kat T. Bard, vitritaime, commonyoshi, blrasmu, Captain Oblivious, XX Stone, capcommaster, LordManiMani, Jamis, kirawillwinA couple people voted Vit on D2: Jamis, Squeege, monstrman(Underlined players are all gutsy or mafia. Italicized names indicate dead players.) If vit is town I'm pretty strongly suspicious of Jamis. But he and LMM could go either way as far as I can tell. Also I noticed that two out of the four currently dead people voted DP, but one of them was lynched and the other, as suggested by monstrman, may have been found N1 by a mafia detective, so I hesitate to draw any conclusion from that. Two late NPR voters voted for DP on D1, so here's what they had to say about it: Yea if vit shows up as mafia I wouldn't be surprised if npr is mafia too. Same goes other way around. DONT FORGET THIS POST IT MAY HELP YOU IN THE FUTURE. This post doesn't really seem helpful though. It's ambiguous enough for you not to take any blame if one of them is mafia and the other town, but is also a kind of "I told you so" thing. idk I found this pretty OK at the time but I'm not really sure if I could call DP's post "ambiguous" DP's "defense" doesnt really convince me at all. This wagon seems pretty pro-town and to call it scum or just bad wagoning is pretty big struggling right there. Also just saying Vit is scum based off of how she plays on irc and on forum as a comparison isnt good enough for a lynch. Its only D1 and right now your just pushing suspicion to the people voting for you. found this one more suspicious when he said it but meh. Well to me neither of these posts really stands out as scummy, so maybe the two are just gutsy, idk. And kira...has hardly posted at all. So I have no idea. For reference: D1 post count vote count, D2 post count vote count
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Post by kirawillwin on Mar 17, 2012 20:24:49 GMT -6
Yes I bandwagoned, I voted NPR because I wanted us to get a lynch, I saw an opportunity and i took it. We need to lynch so we can get info on people, Since we know NPR turned up town it tells us a lot on the people who voted. So yes my reason for voting was purely so we could get a lynch yesterday, I didn't believe his claim either but neither did a lot of people.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Mar 17, 2012 20:32:55 GMT -6
re: Good vit reasoning? well, upon further reflection, I mean it was okay for D1. Not worth a vote now. She asked multiple times about this supposed association tell and never quite got a straight answer. re: scum slip? Same thing for vitritaime really, she's not just going along with voting whoever is the likely lynch target - well, she is, but she's also going out of her way to bring attention to Squeege. I don't think you should push for a squeege lynch though, that's not gonna happen and would only end badly for yourself. This phrasing at the end "would only end badly for yourself." Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I'm definitely inferring knowledge of a town Squeege here. Imma keep my vote for a little bit, as this post did really weird me out, but see below. CaptainOblivious: Yesterday, you said you were "vaguely suspicious" of XX. Is that still the case? Do you have any concrete reasons?Where I said I thought DP was scum anyway: erniewan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=mafia&thread=1720&post=82297erniewan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=mafia&thread=1720&post=82420
I could still lynch DP, and press monstr (especially for Post 27)/blrasmu (especially for Post 41)/capcom (especially for yesterday). My read on squeege keeps going back and forth (it's definitely good to see him making a huge effort, but occasionally he rings some bells, just little teensy bits of each of his megaposts). I'm not as suspicious of robbie as I was before, mostly because I know he's really really into LOST and because of Post 39. Although I'm not exactly going to forget that that happened. I'm okay with vit, wae, shlub, and common as townish for the time being. Where are GG/wave/WP/SMAP/Doc? I'd press SMAP, too, if he were here. Kira's like, never active...I'd much rather lynch any of the people indicated above other than him right now @_@ hmm. Hey common: do you know which part of your role acts? or is it a big surprise?
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Post by Nyan Kat on Mar 17, 2012 20:33:24 GMT -6
by "other than [kira]" I mean "I'd rather lynch the indicated before lynching kira."
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Post by XX Stone on Mar 17, 2012 22:45:14 GMT -6
I don't claim any knowledge of Squeege, I just meant that pushing for a lynch that isn't going to happen was going to make everyone look down on her.
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Post by LordManiMani on Mar 18, 2012 9:36:56 GMT -6
So I think the mafia may have a detective... why the hell else would they kill shrek32? Honestly? Of course, that's just speculation and doesn't really mean much. I still think pokey is town. Ernie... I'm going to kill you... Squeege... I don't like that post. "DP is still town" It feels like one of the things scum says like he KNOWS pokey is town, so he says "pokey is town" I really agree with a lot of this post. I can't think of any reason for the mafia (assuming it was the mafia) to target an inactive player, which would normally be an advantage for them. I do not believe in rushing in to lynch DP or squeege at this point, DP because I agreed with most all of his points against NPR yesterday (gah that was a train wreck, but he didn't do a good job defending himself and we didn't believe such a mechanic would exist. Honestly if I were NPR I would have just claimed doctor but c'est la vie). So far I'm reserving from judging squeege, it seems like a lot of jumping at shadows for now but I'll reread the second half of D2 and see what I think from there.
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Post by Captain Oblivious on Mar 18, 2012 13:58:19 GMT -6
Kat I'm not sure what I think anymore.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Mar 18, 2012 16:24:44 GMT -6
We're going in some interesting directions today. I'd like to see a vote (or at least some reads) from each one of you next time you make a post, if you haven't done so already. I also have some questions. Didn't get one for everybody (work/phoneposting) but I'll try to do so at some point today.
Squeege: you've provided a lot of input today, but what i'd like to see now is your top three town reads, and your top three scum reads. Go! Meow: did you pick up anything else? Who is your top town read? Blrasmu: top town read? Robbie: same question. Common: you're a one-shot dayvig. However, you HAVE to use your shot today and you cannot hit XX Stone. Who do you hit? Monstrman: so, that suspicion list you referenced earlier togameday. Let's see it.
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Post by XX Stone on Mar 18, 2012 16:45:55 GMT -6
Yeah, the inactivity is a little bad for day 3. Even if you guys want to vote for me, I want you to come in and vote so that I can hear your reasonings. Just quit lurking and post your thoughts.
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Post by robbiecon on Mar 18, 2012 17:27:26 GMT -6
@kat. My Top Town Read is probably DrShlub. While he hasn't said all that much, what he has said has made good sense, whereas I think most of the others have had some conflicting opinions within their posts.
As for XX Stone, I personally think that any of the last number of voters for NPR could have been the choice for today, I don't see why you were the one chosen, but as of the moment, you have been, and others will decide depending on how your reaction is.
Also:
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Post by monstrman on Mar 18, 2012 17:48:19 GMT -6
uhm kat... I referenced it in that post. Not quite sure... how... you missed that one...
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Post by Nyan Kat on Mar 18, 2012 18:50:45 GMT -6
Monstr: you gave top town reads and lean town reads. Then you said everyone else is eiter null or suspicious. I'll look again, pull up some links at home, but that's what I read
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