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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 5, 2012 18:14:40 GMT -6
Both of those lynches (XX, blrasmu) smell delicious. I'S JUS' SAYIN
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Post by Erniewan on Oct 5, 2012 18:41:10 GMT -6
Hey there TML And to the contrary Kat, I know what I'm doing, I'm just not confident enough in my suspicions to push for a town lynch. Wait, what. A "town" lynch as opposed to...? This game always needs the Town in order to lynch, so using that as a modifier STILL makes no sense. Ugh, both you and blrasmu need to stop dodging around and put down some reads. FoS: XX StoneAlso, I want EVERYONE to tell what they think of blrasmu and XX Stone, and if you have any other reads. We have 2 days left, let's make them count.
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Post by vgaddict on Oct 5, 2012 19:34:45 GMT -6
I personally feel XX is the better lynch.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 5, 2012 20:22:38 GMT -6
I AM STILL AWAITING A RESPONSE FROM GG
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Post by monstrman on Oct 5, 2012 20:23:02 GMT -6
ALSO TML I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR OPINIONS ON THINGS
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Post by fatalfiend37 on Oct 5, 2012 21:35:19 GMT -6
Alright I thought it over a bit more, and if XX is scum, which I am leaning towards he is. It would be better to get him now than later. So as much as I dislike Day 1 lynch trains.
Vote:XX
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 5, 2012 21:39:05 GMT -6
I personally feel XX is the better lynch. How come? If XX is the direction we're going today, that's cool, but I won't change my vote juuuuuuuuuuuuuust yet. Mostly cause I'm too lazy to count votes and I don't want to inadvertently end the day prematurely without hearing from TML and GG!
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Post by monstrman on Oct 5, 2012 22:11:49 GMT -6
If XX is town, I am making this list of people we should go after in order from biggest potential to smallest, based on stuff:
GG, because of the buddying thing, he has disappeared Soft for similar reasons as GG Fatalfiend, because wagoning VGA, because I have him floating around null Myself/Kat because we pushed for the XX lynch. Kat is probably the least to worry about though, and I'd rather leave her to night actions than day, because even if she is scum (unlikely) I doubt we'll catch a slip off the XX lynch.
If XX is scum, then we should proceed as follows:
Blrasmu, for being scummy and avoiding reads GG, because something doesn't seem right with him to me Also still soft, same reason Fatalfiend, for wagoning Possibly Ernie for sort of avoiding the lynch, but I'm starting to lean town on him, hence him being on the very bottom of this list.
Right now, I'm leaning town on Kat, Ernie, and robbiecon.
Everyone else is null, and needs to speak up p. bad.
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Post by XX Stone on Oct 5, 2012 22:12:54 GMT -6
Well, I'm sorry for having thoughts different from everyone else on how this game should be played. It's not about lynching the person you think is most suspicious, it's about getting people to see if they have the same suspicions as you. After I said that TheGameGuy and Softguitar were suspicious to me, there has been little to no discussion on what everybody else thinks of that, just a lot of trying to get me to pick one over the other. When I say that I can't reasonably look further than that, votes are placed on me for not complying.
And now, I'm the main lynch target because of a single word that I said, which supposedly a mafiat would use. If anything, that should make me look less like a mafiat, because my wording's not as careful as it would be if I was trying to hide myself.
Also: fatafiend, would you like to put some reasoning behind your vote?
Also also: Strange how Softguitar and TheGameGuy haven't posted since I've said that I thought they were suspicious. But nobody has a problem with that?
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Post by XX Stone on Oct 5, 2012 22:13:34 GMT -6
Except for the two posts above mine of course.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 5, 2012 22:16:18 GMT -6
Also also: Strange how Softguitar and TheGameGuy haven't posted since I've said that I thought they were suspicious. But nobody has a problem with that? GG, because of the buddying thing, he has disappeared Soft for similar reasons as GG
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Post by monstrman on Oct 5, 2012 22:17:27 GMT -6
As I stated, I'm more suspicious of your wishy-washy stances and not committing to anything but observations.
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Post by fatalfiend37 on Oct 5, 2012 23:13:51 GMT -6
Exactly why I was afraid to vote, accused of being scum based on "wagoning". If that is the case, then everyone who voted XX after the first vote would be scum. XX, your "town lynch" comment was enough to catch my attention.
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Post by softguitar on Oct 5, 2012 23:17:06 GMT -6
I think GG still might have some problems with his computer since he hasn't been on lately. I really don't know.
I've been following this other mafia game more closely, so I'm sorry if I haven't paid much attention. I feel like I'm being called out for my opinion about XXStone and Blrasmu, so here it goes:
XXStone might have made a slip there. Despite his explanation, it seems a bit off. Blrasmu's been avoiding some questions/giving his reads. I would like to see him answer those first.
Ernie, what do you think about Blrasmu now?
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Post by softguitar on Oct 5, 2012 23:19:21 GMT -6
Exactly why I was afraid to vote, accused of being scum based on "wagoning". If that is the case, then everyone who voted XX after the first vote would be scum. XX, your "town lynch" comment was enough to catch my attention. You shouldn't be afraid to vote if you're town though.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 6, 2012 0:01:20 GMT -6
I was just about to make a post saying exactly what soft just said! hahaha.
GG's had problems on and off. I find it interesting that soft doesn't contribute anything until being called out, hmm...
Oh yeah! robbie! His first content post sounded good to me, so for now he's a town lean. So is fatal, but mostly due to gut.
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Post by The Missing Link on Oct 6, 2012 0:31:05 GMT -6
ALSO TML I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR OPINIONS ON THINGS Honestly, I'm working on that. When this game started, I had every intention of keeping up to date with it despite not being in it on the rare chance that I'd be replaced in. And then I had a few long nights at work, and that promptly got me behind... oh, about when the game was on Page 2. Hence why I haven't just jumped in guns a-blazing yet. So... thoughts: Pages 1-2: I really feel horrible saying this, but VGAddict's playing style rubs me raw every single time. It's not that I think he's Mafia; on the contrary, it just feels like the most... fillibustery style of playing Mafia ever. He speaks softly and vaguely and never really bothers to really jump into the deep end even when it feels like the most Townie thing to do... and yet he does this when he's Town. It makes him incredibly hard to read. Granted, after the first game of Mafia that I played, I started becoming more coy than I should for the [stupid] meta-game reason that, when I was Mafia, I didn't want to be caught. But that's not a fun way to play. I can't say what I feel about VGA just yet, but I really hope that at some point he's actually going to stand up and take a legitimate stand against someone without being pressured into doing so. Becacuse, were I Mafia, at some point, that sort of attitude is one that I'd end up accusing as faux-Mafia and driving to a mislynch. Anyway, maybe hes Indy... but I'm usually not interested in categorizing people as Indy off the cuff; I break people down into more anti-Town and pro-Town. While I know there are some Indies that blur those categories, it helps when trying to figure out, "Should I lynch this person or not?" As of yet, I don't really know. GameGuy seems fairly active, but I haven't interacted much with him yet, so it's a little bit rough to register. I'd say weak Town leans as of this point are safe for the time being. Page 4: I would have put a vote on XX Stone as of his first post on this page just for pull that crap of posting only to not post. That's about the most scummy Day 1 reaction that I've usually seen. Day 1 is such an interesting bird. You find it incredibly difficult to actually get the ball rolling... and it is so easy to thwart people's attempts to actually get things spinning. And one-off comments that don't help never look good on D1. Kat's been pretty active as of this point, which tends to indicate that she's Town; however, I don't know if I've played a game with her as scum (my memory sucks for this), so I can't be sure, but I'd give a weak Town classification for her with results wildly shifting as time goes on. FatalFiend makes an interesting and curious statement of "likely appearing as Mafia when playing at Town"; that has the ring of a politician lowering public expectations of himself before a debate so that, if he manages a mediocre result, people will say he did well. To answer Erniewan's questions 1. I know some people disagree with it (for good reasons), but I think it generally benefits more players than not by lynching D1. Many Townies players seem complacent to get the ball rolling until far too late when the odds are stacked against the Town, and I think information early is worth the risk of pursuing a good enough lynch target. 2. My general plan -- which is perhaps a little too late to get started, and doesn't work once you reveal the gimmick -- is to just start a bandwagon against someone with a plausible enough (though still obviously flimsy) story to see who joins it. Then reveal the plan, remove your votes/FoSes from the target and start investigating those that jumped on. 3. For now, exactly what I'm doing. Pretty much I'm running on a play-by-play commentary style as I read. And the moment I'm done with my analysis, I'm going to place a vote on someone and start hammering questions against them to prove how solid my gut reaction is. In a "good cop/bad cop" relationship, I'm the bad cop, usually making the case sound as harsh as possible to see how people react under fire and subsequently to gauge others' reactions. To be continued... Page 3: This is when Monstrman starts taking a good stand. Having the benefit of the doubt last game when people just naturally assumed that Monstrman was Town when he actually wasn't, I feel like I have to be cautious with just blindly trusting Monstrman just because he's active.
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Post by The Missing Link on Oct 6, 2012 0:31:46 GMT -6
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Oh hey look, I posted my pages out of order. No, I'm really not bad at math. Just bad at organizing.
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Post by The Missing Link on Oct 6, 2012 0:44:52 GMT -6
Page 5: Oddly enough, for perhaps the first time in a Mafia game, I have a weak town lean on Monstrman. I think working with him as part of the Mafia in Avengers Mafia quelled whatever natural resistance I had with working against him and made me much more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. So I tend to find the fact that he's uneasy about Softguitar's post interesting and... oddly plausible. I find XX Stone's sudden attempt to reverse sentiment back onto VGA odd. The only way XX could come out looking Town from that is if VGA was himself Mafia, but I'm not willing to go quite that far yet in my analysis of him. Though it is possible VGA isn't Town. I just can't read him. I also hate anyone that says, "I HAVE NO READS ON ANYONE AND YET I AM NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT." Blrasmu having nothing to respond to Kat about also sits uneasy with me.
Page 6: Softguitar keeps mentioning Indies. This person may be Indy, that person may be indy. Why focus on Indies? Especially this early? It seems so very weird to start focusing away from the hunt for Mafia when we don't even really know how many Indies are out there if there are Indies out there. Also, VGAddict's question rubs me raw; asks everyone who they would vote for yet practically never votes for everyone ever. Just AUUUUGH. I mean, isn't that the point of the game? To vote for people and give rationales for it? Erniewan's gentle greeting of Robbie via Kira's shadiness, while true, seems weird, but I could just be being cynical here. XX being all "WHY SO SERIOUS?" all like the Joker makes me weird. I mean, sure, D1 may never have been like this, but don't call it out, just roll with it. Adjust your strategy and start digging in. Seems like a smokescreen attempt. Urge to vote him just keeps getting higher and higher.
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Post by The Missing Link on Oct 6, 2012 1:04:06 GMT -6
Page 7: FINALLY VGA makes a stand in this game. This is awesome. Congrats man! There's like a thousand ways to still read you making a vote, but dang am I happy to see that you made it. I'm curious to see where this goes. Also, XX just keeps opening his mouth to insert his foot. Dude's going to need a bigger mouth to fit both feet.
Page 8: Ernie makes a good observation, and Kat is good for following up on it. I also really am uneasy with XX trying to about face and turn things on Monstrman. I shouldn't be trusting MM so easily, yet I usually find that, when someone is under fire and then he or she tries to redirect things to someone else, that player is either Mafia or a darn good dead ringer for one.
Page 9: I like Soft calling FF out to vote; it could be that FF is being shy and innocent (it is possible), but I do prefer seeing some degree of rash boldness in Townies.
With that said, here's my conclusions:
I concur that both XX Stone and blrasmu are both solid choices of who I'd vote off. They're definitely the strongest two, though for different reasons.
XX seems a more likely bet for me though. Not only does every statement seem to be twisted in very very careful or weird ways, he really hasn't been on defensive and has instead been passive-aggressive to try to turn the tables around. Blrasmu, for what it's worth, made a bad statement yes, and we should definitely continue to pursue him, though I think XX will yield a lot more information about the people around him that Blrasmu will yield about the people around him. I'd wager a vote against XX being more useful even though he's equiscummy to Blrasmu.
Vote: XX Stone Called Shot: Blrasmu Nominate for Spammiest: Monstrman Watching Very Carefully: VGAddict Needs to ****ing Post More: DarthPokey Awesomest Avatar: Softguitar (I am so biased) Not Appearing In This List of Awards: Robbiecon Scratching My Head a Bit: FatalFiend Perpetually Townie in My Eye: Katty Forum Administrators Scare Me: Erniewan Don't Know what the Last Trophy Is for, but You Get It Anyway: The Game Guy
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Post by fatalfiend37 on Oct 6, 2012 1:16:05 GMT -6
Exactly why I was afraid to vote, accused of being scum based on "wagoning". If that is the case, then everyone who voted XX after the first vote would be scum. XX, your "town lynch" comment was enough to catch my attention. You shouldn't be afraid to vote if you're town though. A lot of my experiences in Mafia Games started with me getting marked as suspicious due to voting someone on Day 1. I am town, but players could see my wagoning as a scummy act.
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Post by The Game Guy on Oct 6, 2012 5:48:14 GMT -6
Bah, sorry guys. I've been pretty busy doing some last minute studying for the SAT today, so I've been putting all of my time into that. I'll definitely have a post today after I finally get it outta the way, so wish me luck please.
Also, thank you for the award TML, I will cherish it forever.
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Post by Erniewan on Oct 6, 2012 10:09:43 GMT -6
Well, I'm sorry for having thoughts different from everyone else on how this game should be played. It's not about lynching the person you think is most suspicious, it's about getting people to see if they have the same suspicions as you. After I said that TheGameGuy and Softguitar were suspicious to me, there has been little to no discussion on what everybody else thinks of that, just a lot of trying to get me to pick one over the other. When I say that I can't reasonably look further than that, votes are placed on me for not complying. And now, I'm the main lynch target because of a single word that I said, which supposedly a mafiat would use. If anything, that should make me look less like a mafiat, because my wording's not as careful as it would be if I was trying to hide myself. Also: fatafiend, would you like to put some reasoning behind your vote? Also also: Strange how Softguitar and TheGameGuy haven't posted since I've said that I thought they were suspicious. But nobody has a problem with that? GameGuy has seemed a little off, and has grown inactive (though he does that when he gets busy, like he said), but for the most part he leans Town. Softguitar I can agree with you, and if you're Town, I'd be looking at her next; for now she's still null though, and you're leaning scum, so that's why we're focusing on you. And not just for a single word, that's just the straw that broke the camel's back. I think GG still might have some problems with his computer since he hasn't been on lately. I really don't know. I've been following this other mafia game more closely, so I'm sorry if I haven't paid much attention. I feel like I'm being called out for my opinion about XXStone and Blrasmu, so here it goes: XXStone might have made a slip there. Despite his explanation, it seems a bit off. Blrasmu's been avoiding some questions/giving his reads. I would like to see him answer those first. Ernie, what do you think about Blrasmu now? And finally she makes an appearance after being called out. Your explanations aren't very in depth, and seem kinda on the fence, though I can see lean scum. As for blrasmu, well he hasn't made any new posts for me to follow up on, so the feeling's still the same, and my vote's still there. I'm starting to feel an XX Stone lynch and (contrary to what monstr posited), I support either of their lynches. But at least XX Stone has given us some names (soft, GG, and myself) unlike blrasmu, though on the flipside, that makes his lynch more informative. @tml: Thanks for the analysis. I'm not sure why making me an admin makes me scary? But I agree with most of what he said, so that's good. fatalfiend: That's part of the game though. The key is to actually give your own reasons when you vote, and not just joining because everyone else is. Taking risks is a given in this game, but it matters which ones you take.
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Post by blrasmu on Oct 6, 2012 10:34:39 GMT -6
If I really though kat or monstr was mafia, I would've put a vote on one of them. As it stands, I really don't know what either of them are. If you were to put a gun to my head, I would say kat is more likely to be mafia, but its not enough to warrant a vote. (and this is based off the whole lynching an active thing, but I think we're past that, based on the high activity of this game so far)
I'm going to re-read XX, mostly because others are labeling him as mafia, but I'm not seeing that right now.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 6, 2012 11:08:55 GMT -6
GG be sure to answer my question!!!
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Post by The Missing Link on Oct 6, 2012 11:25:29 GMT -6
@tml: Thanks for the analysis. I'm not sure why making me an admin makes me scary? But I agree with most of what he said, so that's good. It was late. I started being really silly about that point, so it's really a joke re: the admin thing.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 6, 2012 11:26:03 GMT -6
TML: I was scum in MvC and puzzlemaster over on VGF. Thanks for your analysis. I really really hope you're town this time!!!!!!!! there's a townie in your eye? better get that checked
I had a thought about GG and soft. While I still think it's more likely they're both town (as scum wouldn't so blatantly name each other right off the bat), one of them could be mafia. Based on interactions, this person is more likely to be GG: soft had barely done anything by the time he said he trusted her, so he could be naming her as town so that, if indeed she does flip town, he looks better. However, the weird part: I still lean slight town on GG, and I now lean slight scum on soft. So I dunno. Just an idea.
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Post by monstrman on Oct 6, 2012 11:34:35 GMT -6
That's what I said earlier.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Oct 6, 2012 12:07:21 GMT -6
you did? well I'm just so quick on the draw, aren't I!
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Post by monstrman on Oct 6, 2012 12:18:46 GMT -6
lol is k. I DO THE SAME THING
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