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Post by Erniewan on Jul 13, 2012 21:52:00 GMT -6
I just didn't think Malick was mafia, I don't know his playstyle, thought he was being a noob. You could say that I was pulling a commonyoshi, not willing to lynch a new player who was at least contributing. I switched to Malick because I wanted a lynch; mafia would have just as easily avoided a Day 1 lynch.
I think softguitar is somewhat suspicious, but since she was doing the same thing as me, it feels somewhat hypocritical to judge her by the same actions. I'll read back over her posts.
You were right about Malick though; he was the most informational lynch. It helped alleviate suspicion on kcat and MF, and some on the people that voted him. I was suspicious of Linnet earlier on, but she had a good head about her concerning Malick. monstrman's looking the most Town, obviously. robbiecon was the earliest vote splitter, but he also went back to Malick early on, so not too troubling. I had my doubts about NPR, but he went along with monstrman, so I'll trust him for now too.
FoS: kirawillwin for putting suspicion on kcat but not voting at all. I'd also like capcom to be prodded and Gameguy to read up.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jul 13, 2012 22:07:27 GMT -6
I'll prod capcom in the morning. GG will also probably read up by morning; I let him know Day 2 started.
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Post by monstrman on Jul 13, 2012 22:09:11 GMT -6
I am going to say that it seems likely either Linnet or Ernie is scum. I'll say 65% chance this time, because I feel that Ernie saying he was suspicious of her, and then she was sort of in the middle of the malick lynch. It's either she legitimately wanted to lynch him, or saw that his lynch was likely inevitable and hopped on his wagon early.
Kira is kind of suspicious, but he doesn't really say that much ever... so I feel like his lynch wouldn't reveal much... and he might not even be scummy and stuff...
I'm almost postive one of Soft or ernie is scum though, if not both.
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Post by softguitar on Jul 13, 2012 22:11:02 GMT -6
I first voted for MF because I thought his claim could've been fake. Then I voted for Kcal because he didn't really help the town and we didn't really need a player like that. It could have also been beneficial to the town. Maybe I should have given an FoS instead. My final vote was for Malick. I waited for him to claim because I wasn't really sure if he could've been scum. That fake claim was really suspicious, so I decided to vote for him against all odds. Like I said, I never was against lynching him. He was getting more suspicious by every post he made and you guys made your point.
Also, I'm very early with giving votes and switching them later on. Guess I should pay more attention to it in future games. Maybe I should give more FoS's than voting... How many times did I not switch votes in older games?
I agree with Ernie that it was an informational lynch. I just need to read up more.
A theory of mine is that someone is trying to make himself look good by saying he was scum or voting from early on after a few votes started to roll in. The majority who voted for Malick are town in my eyes.
NPR stands out to me for voting without giving a decent reason, but that isn't enough for me to vote for him.
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Post by monstrman on Jul 13, 2012 22:24:25 GMT -6
You can rationalize it all you want, but it was still really scummy. I'm keeping my vote.
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Post by kirawillwin on Jul 13, 2012 23:16:16 GMT -6
@ernie I'll admit that where my suspicion lied on Kcal but I didnt have enough to go on to put a vote on him. @monstr whats suspicious about me in your opinion
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Post by kirawillwin on Jul 13, 2012 23:19:05 GMT -6
I mean to put a vote on him comfortably, it would have been to much of a leap of faith for me
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Post by Linnet on Jul 13, 2012 23:28:35 GMT -6
Welp there's a roleblocker. Will have an actual post later.
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Post by Linnet on Jul 14, 2012 0:52:24 GMT -6
Okay, N1 info: There is a roleblocker of some sort in the game. My immediate assumption is some sort of mafia roleblocker but I'm basing that on nothing but irritation. > Current gut feelings: Monstr, Ernie and MF are most likely town. Kind of conflicted on Ernie. You did the whole vote-splitting thing near the end there, but you were also one of the people pushing pretty hard for activity on D1 - while this could've been a look-how-town-friendly-I-am ploy I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt here, since the activity that you pushed for lead, ultimately, to a mafia lynch. MF - well there's more rational points in his favor, but honestly I just want you to live as long as possible because it cracks me up every time you post. (Sucks to be you, I know.) Monstr - kind of obvious. Could've been bussing malick but I doubt it. NPR, you were kind of quiet yesterday and you got on the malick-wagon quite early. I don't really know what to make of it so I'm just pointing it out for now, I guess? For my reasoning behind when and why I voted on Malick yesterday, I was kind of split between him and Kcal - Kcal's behavior just seemed really weird to me. At first I was considering voting for Kcal to see if I could jog him into some deeper interaction than no-content posts. Once monstr did the postcount and I checked how much malick had actually said, in terms of real content, I decided to go for him: Kcal could've just been lazy but I feel like frequent low-content posting is a subtler way for mafia to avoid suspicion, compared to lurking. (Goofing off is okay but you've gotta contribute, too.)
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Post by Meow on Jul 14, 2012 6:27:15 GMT -6
An ode to the sparkly steak,
Oh sparkly steak, I never imagined you were this cruel, Together the high seas we could rule. Sparkly steak, I feel so betrayed, I should have been more afraid. But with your sparkles and my dashing good looks, We could have stolen the treasure and defeated the crooks. My mouth did water as I gazed at your beauty, But now I find you incredibly snooty. Your sparkles looked most delicious, But below the facade you were so vicious. Oh sparkly steak, you gave me no warning Good work, Sleep well, I should have killed you in the morning.
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Post by NPR on Jul 14, 2012 8:30:09 GMT -6
Yes I was quiet yesterday, being swamped with work and all (posted in leave of absence thread about it) softguitar was that huge contradiction to himself he made not a good reason to vote for him?
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Post by NPR on Jul 14, 2012 8:30:36 GMT -6
*Yesterday gameday, working all week
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Post by softguitar on Jul 14, 2012 9:43:12 GMT -6
I forgot you were busy and can't talk that much. Sorry, NPR. The other person who switched votes is Robbiecon, I think. He voted early for Malick. I can't really get a read on him yet. What do you think about him, monstrman?
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Post by monstrman on Jul 14, 2012 10:59:07 GMT -6
His was kind of neutral. Its one thing when a person doesnt want to vote someone and another thing when they hop on a counterwagon on the extension at the end of the day. I'll admit it was scummy but i have a feeling he's town. I will say that i purposefully left him off of my suspicion list to see if anyone would try to push the suspicion once i put suspicion on them, so thats points not in your favor. I have to say things arent looking very good for you in my eyes soft.
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Post by Erniewan on Jul 14, 2012 11:37:36 GMT -6
There wasn't really a contradiction, NPR. Yes, he assumed that MF was Town, but that was on the assumption that MF was Fezzik (which in my view at the time was an honest mistake, because I haven't seen the movie in a while either). When he figured out that it was Humperdinck's priest, obviously it made his alignment more ambiguous, warranting a double-take. That's why I didn't feel that the contradiction was enough for a vote. However, I believe that monstrman's arguments for him did change my mind, the fact that his lynch would reveal more for us than kcat's.
kirawillwin: Why didn't you vote Malick yesterday? Why did did you push for kcat when in fact you weren't saying much yourself.
Capcom, Gameguy, Miracle Fassad, kcaltrain: Are you guys read up? What do you have to say about everything?
Also, I agree with monstrman about robbiecon. He did seem to be very rational with his reasoning behind voting kcat and switching back to Malick.
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Post by monstrman on Jul 14, 2012 11:42:49 GMT -6
@kira same reason as ernie
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jul 14, 2012 21:27:43 GMT -6
I would have a votecount, but there's only one vote.
You guys are boring. <3
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Post by monstrman on Jul 14, 2012 21:43:46 GMT -6
^ this times infinite plus one. Plus two.
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Post by monstrman on Jul 15, 2012 12:51:23 GMT -6
*goes on strike*
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jul 15, 2012 12:52:31 GMT -6
*cancels your shows*
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Post by monstrman on Jul 15, 2012 12:52:55 GMT -6
*GOES ON STRIKE HARDER!*
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Post by The Game Guy on Jul 15, 2012 14:02:39 GMT -6
Haha, time for mafia! Good to see y'all again.
Now, I think we could get the most beneficial information from lynching either Ernie or Monstr, as they are the most prominent posters so far. However, I'm not sure if I want to, because I'm getting town reads from both of them, as they are both pushing for activity. However, the way Ernie got on the counter vote, saying there wasn't solid reasoning for voting Malick when there was, and the way Monstr is pushing so hard to lynch Soft. The whole leaving a person off your suspicion list on purpose thing doesn't really sound that reasonable to me, honestly.
Now, I can't say I wouldn't be in favor of lynching Soft, as she also was on the counter vote and was last to switch. She still hasn't answered NPR's question as well, and I certainly would like to see that answer. Also, her vote on MF after stating his suspicions on her seemed a lot like a "NO U" vote. The fact that Malick followed up with a vote on MF also makes me think they could have been mafia trying to push a vote on MF to take suspicion off of Malick.
I think we should ignore Kcal for now. He's not contributing anything, and I would rather have him replaced if the trend continues, rather than lynched.
Kira is someone I guess I could go for lynching, but really I can sympathize with him not being sure about the lynch on Kcal. I know the feeling of being hesitant to vote for someone, even/especially if they are a popular choice.
NPR had a pretty reasonable reason for voting yestergameday, and I can understand being busy. He seems to be trying his hardest to contribute what he can.
Linnet's posts have been pretty logical so far, so I'm willing to trust her for now. Also, the info on the roleblocker is definitely appreciated, but for all we know it could be a town roleblocker who found you suspicious. Prob less likely, though, as I haven't seen anyone post a suspicion on you.
I can understand why Robbie hasn't been able to post much as well, but he was on the counter vote. He did switch back, and his reasoning was pretty solid, so I'll see about him. Certainly would like to see more from him today
I find MF's restriction to be believable, if only because of who created this game. I know Kat has a strong love for silly post restrictions. However, this does not make me think he's town, and I definitely would like to hear more out of him today.
I think I covered everyone? I hope so. I'll definitely give everyone another thought once they post more, and you can be expecting a vote from me before the end of the gameday. Let's make this one as good as the last one guys!
Also, mafia are jerks for killing Meow. Seriously, I would've digged playing a game with him since I haven't before.
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Post by The Game Guy on Jul 15, 2012 14:03:23 GMT -6
Uuhhh, I don't know what happened with the end of that post guys. Sorry about all of that empty space.
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Post by monstrman on Jul 15, 2012 14:30:35 GMT -6
FINALLY A POST!
And I think it's typical of scum play to go after townies when they have suspicion on them, and I'm pretty confident robbie is town. That's why I think it's points against soft, but not necessarily condemning. I think what's condemning is the vote split yesterday. I just plain don't like that.
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Post by Nyan Kat on Jul 15, 2012 14:33:15 GMT -6
Obligatory vote count, despite the fact that there's still only one vote-
softguitar (1): monstrman [L-5][/color] No vote: erniewan, capcommaster, NPR, softguitar, Miracle Fassad, kcaltrain, Game Guy, kirawillwin, Linnet, robbiecon
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day still ends Wednesday at 11 PM US Eastern.
Prodding everyone repeatedly ad nauseum.
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Post by Erniewan on Jul 15, 2012 14:34:19 GMT -6
Thanks for the post, gg, I hope the others will do the same (I'm looking at you, MF, Capcom, kira, and kcat).
Re: Miracle Fassad: The restriction isn't what makes him seem town (or anti-town), it's the fact that Malick was going after him that makes him look Town. And the way that Malick automatically believed him, as others have pointed out.
I don't think you'd gain much from a lynch of me, and I'd full claim before I'd let that happen. I've already explained why I did as I did, and that I still don't think there was enough contradiction with Malick to warrant a vote at the time, though it turned out to be correct.
Re: Kira: Most people are unsure about their votes, but you have to go out on a limb and take the chance with your votes or we'll never learn anything. If you don't commit to a vote, you can always pull the "I wasn't sure" card anyways, and get out of the investigation into votes in the future.
Right now, I'd support either a kira lynch or soft lynch, though I really would like capcom to post because he's null. I wouldn't lynch monstrman, and I don't see why that would be a good idea either.
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Post by Linnet on Jul 15, 2012 14:51:08 GMT -6
GG: Totally possible it was a town roleblocker! Like I said, it was just a gut feeling (and, okay, a bit of bitterness) on my part.
You know what, screw it, we might as well do something:
Vote: Softguitar[/color]
No really strong evidence against you at the moment, but I feel like you've been kind of evasive.
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Post by softguitar on Jul 15, 2012 14:51:50 GMT -6
@gg: Anyway, NPR was quiet but I get that now since he's busy; hence the apologies. He was still early on in voting for Malick. So I don't know.
Monstrman seems town to me for the moment, so I would not be in favor of lynching him. I have a strong feeling Linnet is town too because she's trying to help.
I don't really like the inactivity of the players either.
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Post by Linnet on Jul 15, 2012 15:04:45 GMT -6
Okay okay I've gotta bake a cake as soon as the advil kicks in to murder this headache but I'll just do a quick gut-feeling list for now. Sorry I'm not at the top of my game right now, I kind of feel terrible! 1. Erniewan - probably town? I don't know, I just remember that whenever you are mafia I can never freaking tell so now I'm kind of wary of you. Sorry dude.3. Capcommaster - Inactive. Could go either way but it's impossible to say when the guy's only posted to confirm he got his role PM.4. NPR - quiet but if he's just been busy that's excusable, I don't know yet though5. Softguitar - Leaning toward scum for now but I'm not really basing this on much but gut feeling. I could absolutely be wrong.6. monstrman - Town in my eyes, you've been nothing but active and helpful7. Miracle Fassad - Town? Malick tried to push pressure onto him, didn't he? He's been kinda quiet but he could just be busy, and I know if I had a restriction like that, real or faked, it'd cut down on my activity somewhat.9. kcaltrain - Inactive or might as well be.10. The Game Guy - Null for now since he's only just started. I'm kind of surprised by the suggestion to lynch Ernie or Monstr.11. kirawillwin - Kind of quiet. Hm. Going with null for now but I don't know... 12. Linnet - Her posts have been a little confusing to me but on the whole- oh wait I'm town 13. Robbiecon - Null. Hasn't really stood out to me yet.
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Post by Linnet on Jul 15, 2012 15:05:11 GMT -6
God that's a lot of grey. Post more so I can tell what the heck you are, guys.
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