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Post by Soaprman on Dec 19, 2011 17:42:58 GMT -6
Tell me about the liebomber role. Does it explode immediately when the target lies? (i.e. next time the host is around to read the thread) If so, Monstrman has been online since that post so Ernie was telling the truth and/or there is no liebomb on him.
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Post by waehofen on Dec 19, 2011 19:29:29 GMT -6
kpio's right sometimes I can be far too modest oh and @gg thanks, I was pretty confused about that. wow pd I never said people who post real content are scum. I just said that if everybody else is posting real content and only a few people are posting lots of BS they're mafia. what I meant by "only a little bit of crap" is that the majority of my posts when I'm mafia still suck, but there are just fewer of them. again see tf2 hats (since it is my only example other than IRC ) in fact maybe you need to calm down! your posts have lots of asterisks in them and seem upset ok: does anybody else think it's odd that kira was (apparently) the one cp chose to roleblock D1? He hadn't really said anything and it's kind of unusual to voteblock someone who isn't posting. might be evidence of a busdriver or the like somewhere in the game, so just something for any investigative roles to consider. (of course it could have been kat, in which case who even knows)
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Post by Darthpokey on Dec 20, 2011 7:36:22 GMT -6
Yeah, I lied about the whole exploding part to put a little bit more pressure on you, heh. Although I did attach a lie detector to him so, I'll have to wait till the action phase to find out whether he was lying or not.
The reason I attached the detector to Ernie over everyone else is because I'm suspicious of him (obviously, why would I waste a lie detector on someone I'm not suspicious of.) Also I realize the question I asked was a bit dumb. Here, a better question: Ernie, are you town aligned?
Ernie's posting this game just seems... different. Especially the way he's been throwing votes around, first on kat, and then on soaprman. His reasoning behind his vote on Soaprman was that he was being useless yet there were so many other people who were being useless too, so I wonder, why soaprman out of all of those people?
And also, that bandwagon that followed was scummy as hell and I'm going to look into those people a bit more.
Anyways, gonna hold off on voting for now, cuz I wanna see how these results show up. It would also be nice if I could get some kind of protection tonight to make sure I get my results. If by some chance I do die tonight (or during the action phase, whatever), I trust you all know who I would be voting for.
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Post by Erniewan on Dec 20, 2011 8:17:49 GMT -6
I am Town. I'm not sure why people always suspect me, and the only reason they can give is "it's different" - that's a really meta argument, and I have to argue it every game: Stop trying to pin me to a playstyle and start looking at actual suspicions! I'm one of the few people trying to accomplish something rather than spouting contentless (or even worse, not any) posts, but I guess it's forgivable assuming you sent your action way back on Morning 1. I guess I should stop making a long post, but I assure you that I am Town. Also, if I die tonight (I hope the Doc would also consider protecting me since I'm trying to be helpful), I would look at DarthPokey, as he could be pulling the Doc's protection away from more townie players with this role.
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Post by Doc on Dec 20, 2011 10:17:59 GMT -6
Also, if I die tonight (I hope the Doc would also consider protecting me since I'm trying to be helpful), I would look at DarthPokey, as he could be pulling the Doc's protection away from more townie players with this role. What do you expect me to do :?
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Post by softguitar on Dec 20, 2011 11:23:02 GMT -6
He means the real doctor in the game, Doc. Unless you're the Doctor.
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Post by NPR on Dec 20, 2011 12:24:22 GMT -6
I don't think there was anything special about Soap, but just that Erniewan wanted to vote for someone not being helpful.
I'm still out on who the doc should protect. DP, how does your role work. Are you told what your target lies about?
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Post by Doc on Dec 20, 2011 12:56:03 GMT -6
Derp I just now noticed "the" I thought it had said "I hope Doc would also consider protecting me" I feel stupid now
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Post by Puppyduck on Dec 20, 2011 15:17:37 GMT -6
The Doc should protect DP, the claimed investigative role. Actually the Doc should do whatever the hell he wants and not have his action broadcasted to the mafia, but w/e. Sorry Erniewan, but you are being hugely illogical. "Pulling protection away from townie players"? You mean like a Detective would? I suppose that means Detectives also shouldn't get protection?
Up until now I would agree that Erniewan has probably been more useful than DP, but Erniewan asking to be protected over the Lie Detector seems really scummy to me.
How about tonight the Detective (assuming we have one) looks at DP? If DP turns up mafia then we can lynch him; otherwise we can assume Erniewan is being selfish and irrational and lynch him.
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Post by Puppyduck on Dec 20, 2011 15:31:36 GMT -6
or maybe just make stern faces, lynching is possibly a little bit rash
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Post by The Game Guy on Dec 20, 2011 15:36:55 GMT -6
Or we could cuss him out!!!
OK but seriously don't you think you're being a bit hypocritical there? You said you didn't want the doc's actions broadcasted, yet you're willing to broadcast the det's actions.
DP, I think you should explain more about your role, if there is anything more to explain.
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Post by Puppyduck on Dec 20, 2011 16:02:45 GMT -6
Broadcasting the doc's action tells the mafia who not to kill. Broadcasting the det's action would tell the mafia who to frame (an incredibly rare role) or who to redirect (a fairly uncommon role).
So while broadcasting the doc's action is always bad, broadcasting the det's action is only bad in rare setups.
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Post by waehofen on Dec 20, 2011 16:28:46 GMT -6
well there's a key difference between "broadcasting" and "suggesting" in that in the latter the det/doc/whatever decides what he wants to do independently but if you as another townie have some good idea then you can still put it out there. but gg is definitely right about that (see what I mean about his posts?)
also yeah ernie's whole "I'm one of the only people making good posts" makes me want to vote him a bit. mostly because it seems like that is the underlying point of half his posts. IMO the only thing he has done all game that would really have impressed me if I had done it was the "content count" earlier. (also nobody thought you were mafia in tf2, right?)
in case I haven't driven in this point yet: making lots of posts is cool, just as a general principle. everybody should do it all the time. you can look at it as townies taking an active stance to defend the good name of the town and as mafiosi giving themselves numerous opportunities to slip up. but it seems like my public requests have roughly paid off so I guess I don't have to say this anymore.
OK now that I have a legitimate reason to want DP not to get lynched, I should probably decide on whom else to vote for*. looking at my suspicions list I apparently want to vote kpio despite having proclaimed that pd is mafia. normally I'm wary about trusting my feelings, given that a common adage is to trust certain people no further than you can throw them and feelings, being massless, cannot be thrown, but let's see where this ends up:
Vote: kpio
*periodically I like to subtly end my sentences with prepositions or split my infinitives just to tell certain people, if they exist, to suck it up.
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Post by waehofen on Dec 20, 2011 16:34:41 GMT -6
oh look ninja'd! yes well there's that aspect to it to, but honestly trying to predict a doctor protection is entirely wifom, and it creates an interesting situation in terms of perceived probabilities to ponder. some common logical fallacy whose name I have probably never heard most likely states that in such a situation both the doctor and the mafia begin to think of it as being binary - the doctor either does protect the person, or doesn't - and if one side plays it to their advantage it can force the other side into thinking that the chance of that person being protected is far greater than it actually is. of course this is strictly theoretical and I'm probably making it up but it's fun to think about.
also lol@me implying I know what subtlety is. the positioning of that sentence, while beautiful, is not subtle by any means.
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Post by waehofen on Dec 20, 2011 16:39:34 GMT -6
errrrr wait dammit guys I know what a preposition is
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Post by Erniewan on Dec 20, 2011 17:55:57 GMT -6
God, I didn't say he had to protect me, just that he should consider it. How easy would it be to fake a lie detector? That's easier than faking anything in the game; if he's wrong, he could point out some nuance of the post and suggest that maybe THAT was the lie. I don't think he deserves as much attention as another power role would, and he's been otherwise totally unhelpful. Maybe I'm a bit afraid of getting night killed since that happens to me all the time, maybe I just want to give the Doctor a good alternative than solidifying his action (don't tell the detective what to do either).
I know it's no point since I know I'm Town, but: Unvote: DarthPokey He better not just claim that as his activity for the day though.
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Post by Erniewan on Dec 20, 2011 18:22:32 GMT -6
Edit: To clarify, I don't think he'd fake mine, I'm just saying in the future, he could. DarthPokey, does it work on just one post, or everything they say that Day?
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Post by Puppyduck on Dec 20, 2011 20:01:45 GMT -6
Assuming the Doctor is halfway competent, they would consider everyone as a target and protect the most sensible option. Vanilla/Armour/Armoire/Saint are easier but I take your point. No, he may not, but currently he is our only claimed power role. I'm not telling the detective what to do, I'm suggesting that checking DP would be a good idea. If he wants to detect somebody else instead that's his/her decision but I would think clarifying DP's role when it's a topic of such debate would be incredibly helpful.
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Post by kpio on Dec 20, 2011 21:23:14 GMT -6
Also, if I die tonight (I hope the Doc would also consider protecting me since I'm trying to be helpful), I would look at DarthPokey, as he could be pulling the Doc's protection away from more townie players with this role. What do you expect me to do :? He means the real doctor in the game, Doc. Unless you're the Doctor. Just so we don't confused the crap out of everyone, we should probably just refer to the Doctor as the Doctor, just so Doc(the person not the role) and everyone else doesn't get confused as hell. Also, on a more serious note, Wae, why the vote for my head to roll?
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Post by waehofen on Dec 20, 2011 21:27:26 GMT -6
just refer to Doc as flint and everything will be easier.
also idk kpio I just had a feeling earlier and imma go with my gut. you could well be mafia.
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Post by Darthpokey on Dec 20, 2011 21:32:17 GMT -6
All I'll know is if they lied about something since the detector has been placed on them, so in other words it detects everything he's said since the end of the first action phase.
My role works like this: During one action phase I attach the detector to someone and then during the next action phase I'll get my results and I'll have to wait until the next phase to place another detector.
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Post by Doc on Dec 20, 2011 21:46:29 GMT -6
It would have been a lot better had I just changed my name back to Flint before I signed up for any games :Y
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Post by Erniewan on Dec 20, 2011 21:50:42 GMT -6
That's quite broad. I can see someone claiming "well, maybe it picked up that I lied in post X", or perhaps you when you claim they lied and they turn up townie. Anyways, I hope I haven't accidentally lied or anything or that would screw up your results.
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Post by waehofen on Dec 20, 2011 22:25:18 GMT -6
but what if you don't really hope that?
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Post by kpio on Dec 20, 2011 23:38:25 GMT -6
just refer to Doc as flint and everything will be easier. also idk kpio I just had a feeling earlier and imma go with my gut. you could well be mafia. Wae, I trust your gut about the same as I trust a scitchomaniac with a chainsword. (improper spelling but you know what I mean.) actually the only person I trust with their gut is CP and even then... Also I agree with you on your first statement Doc(person)=flint though we should all use doctor or medic If were referring to the role AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T PUT IT IN CAPS
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Post by Puppyduck on Dec 20, 2011 23:43:23 GMT -6
The other problem is that lying is often subjective. How does your role deal with opinionated statements such as "night actions are for pussies"? Because to me, that is truth, yet to most people, that's a lie.
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Post by monstrman on Dec 21, 2011 0:03:45 GMT -6
NEW VOTE COUNT IS HERE!
Softguitar (2): Puppyduck, WorthyProtoplasm blrasmu (1): Gameguy kpio (1): Waehofen
With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch.
The action deadline is the 22nd at 10 pm US Central
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Post by monstrman on Dec 21, 2011 0:04:48 GMT -6
That's two days away (roughly)
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Post by kirawillwin on Dec 21, 2011 0:09:23 GMT -6
Alright Im back after some soul searching, Instead of me reading up, Someone just summarize this all for me.
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Post by Puppyduck on Dec 21, 2011 0:16:48 GMT -6
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