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Post by ord4everx14 on Sept 17, 2011 17:22:35 GMT -6
Night 1 no action no read on anyone
Night 2- no volunteers so I redirect monstraman to CP to what would happen. Apparently nothing did.
Night 3- recharge
Night 4- no action. Had no idea what to do
Night 5- had a feeling I would be targeted and protected myself.
Tonight- recharge
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Post by Joker on Sept 17, 2011 17:34:19 GMT -6
Two things:
1. From my flavor text it would appear that both dark world and light world mafia do not merge
2. I win when both mafia have been destroyed I win with the town
Which I would assume means that at least 1 indie wins with the Mafia dark or light I don't know.
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Post by Meow on Sept 17, 2011 18:40:17 GMT -6
Sigh. I'm dash bowman from star fox command. I am mostly a redirector. Using my ship the monkey arrow I can redirect a target of my choice. However, I have the option to use my barrel roll to protect myself from an attack at night. The cost is much like in the game I must recharge my boost and must wait a night to use my ability again. So basically I'm useless tonight thanks for making me say that. Dash Bowman? Not anyone from the original Star Fox? Not Peppy with his iconic "Do a barrel roll"? This to me sounds like you're scared that someone else might be Fox / Falco etc., and you're going with the safer claim of Dash Bowman. Not sure if I like this.
Right, because some people have been asking for my win condition, I guess I better tell you. My role name is Dimentio. I am a survivor, and I had a flippin' awesome way of doing it... but that has gone out the window. First of all, my role is just useless now. At the start of the game I had one kill. If I managed to kill both godfathers with either my vote on their lynches or with my kill (I would be granted an additional kill if I hit the godfather), I would be given night kill protection and lynch protection. I would basically become an unkillable survivor. So yeah, when one of them got lynched on day 2 without my vote on him, I lost the opportunity to get that. So now I'm just a boring survivor. Oh, and for the sake of full disclosure... I used my kill on night 3. I aimed for Deku because he was kinda suspicious that day, but I think it may have been redirected onto Pixelated Penguin or Darth Pokey... I don't actually remember the kill flavour because it was quite a while ago, but I think one of them sounded like I did it.
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Post by ord4everx14 on Sept 17, 2011 18:45:28 GMT -6
Uh I don't even know what centurion is from and your questioning my role when I claimed ds way back. Give me a break.
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Post by X-3 on Sept 17, 2011 18:54:21 GMT -6
That'd odd Meow. Joker didn't do anything (apparently) Night 3, Ord was recharging (apparently) and Deku was protecting Marchie (appar-okay he was probably lying, though he was doctor/lyncher).
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Post by Puppyduck on Sept 17, 2011 19:13:20 GMT -6
Okay of the three claims that just came out, I'd say Meow's is most believable, followed by Joker and then ord. Can Joker nameclaim too if he hasn't already?
I'm going to have to agree with Meow, the obscurity of ord's claim makes me less inclined to believe him. Additionally, redirector is a somewhat... odd role for a townie to have.
If we assume that the Lightworld mafia was in fact given fakeclaims (based on Deku claiming Peach despite the Janitoring being done by an Indie), then it seems reasonable to assume the Darkworld mafia was also given fakeclaims. I think the most likely thing that is going on here is ord is using a fakeclaim given to him and his mafia buddies.
So here's a list of people I am inclined to lynch: ord, Loot, Joker And here's an additional list of people I would be happy to lynch (or at least force claims out of in the case of the last two): Meow, Blake, chunky
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Post by kirbyboy on Sept 17, 2011 19:18:22 GMT -6
Oh, and for the sake of full disclosure... I used my kill on night 3. I aimed for Deku because he was kinda suspicious that day, but I think it may have been redirected onto Pixelated Penguin or Darth Pokey... I don't actually remember the kill flavour because it was quite a while ago, but I think one of them sounded like I did it. Considering he was a doctor who had just earlier that day been declared mafia it should be pretty obvious what would happen to a kill attempt on him I'd think assuming it wasn't redirected or something. ...Though I have no clue on any of the flavor so nothing I can say there. I'm kind of curious about this though. Day 4 you said you didn't go for Deku Day 3 and that you didn't trust Joker or his claim as a reason why you didn't, but you decided to shoot at the person he declared mafia anyway? Also I kind of wish I knew how things went down Day 3 over there; like... did Deku get a good number of votes upon having the mafia investigation thrown at him and people got convinced to change it later or what? This is more in general than having to do with you; though considering it was basically the only time you voted this game I'm a bit curious.
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Post by lison on Sept 17, 2011 20:01:20 GMT -6
deku got a good number of votes, but jb was being scummy as heck and because deku had been investigated in a contrived manner there was some doubt that the investigation was valid for a vaierity of reasons (investigation target could have been tampered with, joker could have been tampered with, he had a strongh roleclaim, etc.). we lynched jb.
the next day we were all set to lynch deku when then sp straight up claimed indy, but refused to tell us how her role worked (she obviously had anti-town abilities), then imp claimed ability theif for no reason, and managed to misclaim how his role worked and then lurk the entire rest of the day while we all decided the misclaim was a scum slip and lynched him.)
also, i just remembered, someone asked me at the end of yesterday if me and chunky were confirmed to each other. as i said when we claimed, yes we are. the flavor text tells us both that we can 100% trust our partner, and on top of that we've shared role pms. chunky ain't scum. we have no active abilites. either.
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Post by waehofen on Sept 17, 2011 20:28:15 GMT -6
kb: If Deku was a Doctor, wouldn't somebody else in the Lightworld Mafia have been protected that Night? Wait, so you guys are saying Kat was chilled N2 and LM was frozen to death, simultaneously, and both of these were caused by Erniewan, who was already dead at the time? Also I basically don't believe Meow, ord, or Joker at all, and I don't particularly have any reason to believe robbie either for that matter. I know it's flavor speculation but seriously if you guys have played Super Paper Mario you would probably agree that Dimentio is not exactly Survivor material (background: Dimentio was basically this in PM3, pretty much a watered-down version of Kefka minus the awesome dialogue, substitute "Emperor Gestahl" for "Count Bleck" and you'll see what I mean). Note that we also have two Survivor claims. Of course I don't find Joker's particularly believable either given whom he's replacing but still PS Joker - I don't know how replacing mid-game works, but is it possible that Crav just sent you SK's old PM? His original PM would have stated that the mafias were separate, since they (almost certainly) were at the time, so if you just got a copy of the D1 role then that doesn't prove that the mafias still haven't merged. note: kind of a shame that kefka is a squaresoft character note2: val, fobby, loot, kira, kat, where are you?note3: I apologize for the many hours of your life I may have thrown away by posting that link
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Post by waehofen on Sept 17, 2011 20:28:59 GMT -6
^^pfft why did I think of TWEWY the second I read "we can 100% trust our partner"
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Post by Tazy Ten on Sept 17, 2011 20:33:15 GMT -6
A Redirector that can protect himself?
Uhhhh, what? I can't say that this is a very believable role, even with the "you have to charge" part of it. Plus your only choice seems to be a safe one that doesn't affect any actions done that night.
Unless there is something that took place that night that proves your claim, I don't know if your claim will help you.
Besides, didn't you say you were going to prove your role Day 2? What came of that?
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Post by Captain Planet on Sept 17, 2011 20:38:58 GMT -6
He said he would prove himself with two volunteers. See but the thing is, what he would have done wouldn't have even proved anything. It would have just mucked up somebody's night action and nobody would know why. Hell, they most likely wouldn't have even known that anything had even happened to them unless they were a killing role.
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Post by waehofen on Sept 17, 2011 20:40:46 GMT -6
Also just for the record TML with the cooperation of the rest of Lightworld gave Impereld lots of time to come and defend himself and we even explicitly said "dude you should come defend yourself" on more than one occasion.
And I'm betting the freezing was either vit or the same person as the glitch kill, I mean if it went away after N2 and then more kills entered the equation later that's kind of fishy
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Post by kirbyboy on Sept 17, 2011 20:44:00 GMT -6
kb: If Deku was a Doctor, wouldn't somebody else in the Lightworld Mafia have been protected that Night? Wait, so you guys are saying Kat was chilled N2 and LM was frozen to death, simultaneously, and both of these were caused by Erniewan, who was already dead at the time? Deku was a doctor. ...Although a mafia doctor who would obviously be focusing on protecting himself and other members of the mafia. ...I'm not really sure what you're asking here exactly. ;/ The chill/freeze thing was basically described as "The next day the target has to post a certain number of times or else they die the next night". ZG claimed to have it and use it on Luigiman night 1; though that it was an every other night thing. Kat claimed to have been hit by it night 2 however, which went against what ZG claimed. Personally I'd assume it was Erniewan's ability since no one else claimed to have anything to do with it (and no one else has died from freezing since then) and the only other townie over here who died at that point was 1up/Linnet, who was a bodyguard. As for Kat, I don't know. Maybe a role copier or item or something, but I can't say much beyond speculation there. ;/
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Post by waehofen on Sept 17, 2011 20:47:27 GMT -6
Ah, now I understand.
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Post by chunky on Sept 17, 2011 20:52:04 GMT -6
tml can you just say what your nameclaim is now
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Post by Joker on Sept 17, 2011 21:44:06 GMT -6
Actually I would expect the weaker players to suggest lynching indies as opposed to Mafia. But once again I dare you all to vote me as opposed to Ord or any others you suspect is mafia. Go ahead and lynch me I love taking pleasure in the towns idiocy when they waste a day lynching non mafia be they town or indies.
*sits back and sparks a blunt*
Oh by the way I'm from NES my role will come if your all willing to get me closer to a lynch than Ord.
*flips the bird to the town*
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Post by chunky on Sept 17, 2011 21:47:13 GMT -6
joker are you bowser
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Post by lison on Sept 17, 2011 21:51:09 GMT -6
bowser smoking a bowl
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Post by Puppyduck on Sept 17, 2011 21:51:47 GMT -6
Joker while I would rather lynch a mafiat than an indie I would rather lynch an indie than a townie. And I'd certainly rather kill an indie than nolynch.
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Post by Joker on Sept 17, 2011 21:56:58 GMT -6
Blunt not a bowl and yes of course I'm bowser who else would I claim to be as an Indie Toadstool?? So tell you what why not have Chunky start my bandwagon and we take this day to the edge or we can continue to play nice and safe and the rest of you can waste your time twiddling your thumbs.
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Post by Joker on Sept 17, 2011 21:58:21 GMT -6
Oh and PD that only shows that your not as weak some of the others but you still have herpes!!
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Post by Worthy Protoplasm on Sept 17, 2011 22:03:42 GMT -6
I can sort of believe Meow's claim. We did have a kill on N3 that fit Dimentio (the *SNAP* flavor for Pix's death; iirc Dimentio snapped his fingers in the game to use magic) and none of the other kill flavors seem to fit an SK Dimentio. It doesn't fit the flavor perfectly, but I don't consider that a reason to lynch somebody. I'm okay with letting him live at least until we weed out the more suspicious players.
ord's claim is really scummy - not because of claiming Dash, but because he only has one target which conveniently doesn't mess up any night actions and because Redirector/Armor is just kind of a weird role in general. Not really one I'd call pro-town, either. I'm fine with my vote where it is.
...Did Joker just say his win condition was that he wins with the town? That's not really independent, is it?
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Post by lison on Sept 17, 2011 22:04:18 GMT -6
we can't lynch joker. hes too cool.
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Post by Worthy Protoplasm on Sept 17, 2011 22:04:33 GMT -6
derp ninjas
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Post by waehofen on Sept 17, 2011 22:10:46 GMT -6
also lynching "x indy" is one thing but the only argument for lynching a mafiat rather than a serial killer is that SK victories are much more awesome than mafia victories, whereas the main argument against is eliminating a nightkill
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Post by X-3 on Sept 17, 2011 22:13:45 GMT -6
Can someone describe the Lightworld Night 3 deaths? Clearly I'll be able to figure everything out if I get a description.
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Post by waehofen on Sept 17, 2011 22:19:33 GMT -6
I don't see the harm.
Pix heard a sound behind him, turned around, then snap. DP saw a dark silhouette and was hit by a flash of light.
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Post by The Missing Link on Sept 17, 2011 23:41:50 GMT -6
Night 1 no action no read on anyone Night 4- no action. Had no idea what to do Night 5- had a feeling I would be targeted and protected myself. See, what doesn't make a whole lot of sense is that... were I to have that role, I might have been juuuuuuuust a little bit more selfish with that. I would, at the very least, done something like your N5 action on N1. Redirect from me onto the most likely Mafiat on my radar. Are you saying that you honestly had no suspicions on N1? Honestly, the claim seems dodgy, and the actions undertaken seem dodgy to me too. This to me sounds like you're scared that someone else might be Fox / Falco etc., and you're going with the safer claim of Dash Bowman. Not sure if I like this. Well, given how there's a lot of talk about getting raised into a cockpit, I'm fairly certain that there's someone out there from one of the Star Fox games. The thing is, there are a lot of other characters found in the Star Fox: Command game too; Dash Bowman isn't the first one I think of though. 2. I win when both mafia have been destroyed I win with the town Which I would assume means that at least 1 indie wins with the Mafia dark or light I don't know. Like someone else before me said, how is this Independent? *scratches head* I'm kind of curious about this though. Day 4 you said you didn't go for Deku Day 3 and that you didn't trust Joker or his claim as a reason why you didn't, but you decided to shoot at the person he declared mafia anyway? Hmm? Did I miss this when catching up on Darkworld D4? I must have; I honestly wasn't paying too close to the Lightworld gypsies since, like white-square bishops to black-square bishops, I wouldn't catch up with them until the merger. Interesting point if that be true. also, i just remembered, someone asked me at the end of yesterday if me and chunky were confirmed to each other. as i said when we claimed, yes we are. the flavor text tells us both that we can 100% trust our partner, and on top of that we've shared role pms. chunky ain't scum. we have no active abilites. either. Cool thanks, Lison. I figured this might have been said, but it would have been said Darkworld D2, and that's the stuff that I more or less skimmed over, so I probably missed it. He said he would prove himself with two volunteers. See but the thing is, what he would have done wouldn't have even proved anything. It would have just mucked up somebody's night action and nobody would know why. Hell, they most likely wouldn't have even known that anything had even happened to them unless they were a killing role. It certainly would have been difficult to prove based upon that given a generic ability (doctor, cop, etc.). The only conclusive way to have double-checked Ord's ability would be for someone with a public ability or something that would transmit information from the guy with the ability to the redirectee. And honestly, THAT could have been purposefully done to redirect, oh, say, an item or something to a Mafia buddy. tml can you just say what your nameclaim is now Really? Why are you interested in my name all of a sudden? I was more content to let it remain a secret to everyone, but it's dangerous to go alone and in secret during these dark times. I should have you pay me for the name claim charge, but really, I'll just let you take any road you want. I bet you'd like to have more clarity, but Digdogger hates certain kind of sound, namely my name. So perhaps you should guess and play a money-making game with me?
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Post by kirbyboy on Sept 18, 2011 1:03:31 GMT -6
Hmm? Did I miss this when catching up on Darkworld D4? I must have; I honestly wasn't paying too close to the Lightworld gypsies since, like white-square bishops to black-square bishops, I wouldn't catch up with them until the merger. Interesting point if that be true. Eh, for the people who can look it up, top of page 4, Day 4 if you're interested. Not sure exactly how to quote with name, time and such from a locked topic, but whatever. This was what I was talking about: I mean, its more about Joker than anything, but still. Not going for a lynch during the day because you don't trust someone's word, then basically following it immediately after is pretty strange to me. ...Of course, even with this I'd think going for him at the moment probably isn't that good an idea. The kill he claimed looks more or less confirmed (plus if it only appeared once that probably helps it too); and everything seems to fit together well enough. At the least, I like that claim more than Ord's. Though a good amount of that's probably just me being disappointed cause that claim kinda falls flat in my opinion after how he's been acting like a confirmed townie and the claim that he'd be able to confirm himself. I guess the self-protect thing sort of applies considering he was apparently shot at, but I'm really not sure what to think on the role claim itself here. ;/
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