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Post by capcommaster on May 27, 2011 1:55:30 GMT -6
In that case you interacted with Vit too so I hold my view. I get that you implied everyone that had interactions with Vit. Squeege threw suspicions on me in Day 1 based on me trying to blend in. He didnt necesarily interact with her. Also just cause a mafiat defends me doesnt instantly mean im a mafiat. After all if this was planned it sure is working. I think following a lead that could either be town or mafia in the end is too risky. Yes there is no other leads but there hasnt been any cause no one has taken the time to look for one. Sticking to one lead without another to back up on isnt too smart.
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Post by monstrman on May 27, 2011 2:03:10 GMT -6
I had a back up. It was the other people who interacted with vit and now everyone who has interacted with you.
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Post by capcommaster on May 27, 2011 8:52:20 GMT -6
Then im curious whats going to happen after I turn out to be town. You really don't have much of a plan regarding if i turn out to be town. Going after the people who had suspicions on me already on Day 1 and now on Day 2. I get that anyone one of those could be mafia but its very unlikely that there ALL mafia. Just going after a single person cause they interacted with a mafiat is the wrong process of elimination.
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Post by Worthy Protoplasm on May 27, 2011 10:46:39 GMT -6
Since we don't exactly have much time left in the day, I'd at least like to get a claim out of you, capcom. You really haven't done anything to take my suspicions off.
Vote: capcommaster[/color]
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Post by capcommaster on May 27, 2011 11:49:43 GMT -6
I already stated my claim on page 2. I don't blame the people voting for me. If I saw a mafiat defended someone I would be suspicious of them too. And this is why I am willing to take a risk and just claim. I know XX Stone told me to wait till theres 7 votes but as I wont be on most of the day tomorrow I am just going to go ahead and claim now. I am Master Jiggywiggy, a Watcher. I'm being completely honest.
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Post by Puppyduck on May 27, 2011 11:58:22 GMT -6
That seems like a claim that would be fairly difficult to fake, so I'm willing to believe it for now. Unvote: capcommaster[/color]
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Post by monstrman on May 27, 2011 13:23:26 GMT -6
Yeah, I was thinking that too puppyduck. And capcom, of course its very unlikely that they're all mafia, the point is to find the person that I think is mafia and go after them by looking at the way they interacted with people... the same thing we did with you.
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Post by Worthy Protoplasm on May 27, 2011 13:55:15 GMT -6
oh heh I missed your claim. Yeah it sounds pretty hard to fake. You have an action from Night 1 or do you want to keep that secret for now?
oh and Unvote: capcommaster[/color]
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Post by Captain Oblivious on May 27, 2011 14:00:47 GMT -6
Hmm... I can agree about that being a tricky thing to claim, but I can't shake that nagging feeling that something is up, you know? Posts of his are still giving me weird vibes (TM). Should we ask him what he saw last night?
If you think capcom is town, then is it too late to look at somebody else? My thought is Kirawillwin. First, his reaction to Grunthilda's death "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" contains WAY too many capital letters and exclamation marks to be genuine. Then there was role speculation that the death might have been Kazooie's fire eggs, which just didn't have a place in the discussion. Then he asked that weird question, "I'd like to ask everyone imagine we did not know vit was mafia, would everyone who is currently voting for capcom still vote for his lynch?". In general I feel his insistence on defending capcom hints that he knows something we don't.
I also feel that XX Stone has been acting in a similar manner. As far as interactions between the two of them are concerned, Kira previously speculated (he appears to have a bad habit or role speculating, like again I see "bottles is the hintman calling it now") on the identity of the hintman, saying: "I'm going to go with XX stone and say it's squeege."
I'm bad at this game, though, lol, so I'd rather have a professional take a look at it.
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Post by capcommaster on May 27, 2011 14:21:36 GMT -6
Well I did target Squeege to find out if he would get targeted and I was surprised to see CommonYoshi targeted him. It doesnt appear to have done anything though. It also doesnt help that common got janitored so we dont know what his role was.
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Post by capcommaster on May 27, 2011 14:30:43 GMT -6
This is just speculation but I had a thought IF common was a roleblocker he could have possibly roleblocked Squeege from something. The Hint Man didnt drop a message this time and I was thinking perhaps Squeege is the Hint Man. I find it a bit odd the Hint Man didnt leave a message and plus the Day 1 role speculation that Squeege may be a Hint Man. Not saying he is I just find it very curious that common targeted squeege and Day 2 starts with no hint man message.
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Post by XX Stone on May 27, 2011 14:34:30 GMT -6
That was a day 1 joke, get over it. Kira was acting kind of weird though, did he mention me by name twice on the first day? I'm too lazy to check. Maybe he was just being friendly or something.
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Post by Captain Oblivious on May 27, 2011 14:55:52 GMT -6
No one said I wasn't over it. I'm not even sure I was ever under. I brought you up because I feel you and Kira have been doing the same types of things. Role speculation (OK, maybe that hintman thing it was hidden in there somewhere), being what I feel was overly cautious about the capcom lynch, and seeming to know things we don't ("I don't think [Puppyduck]'s mafia. I'm pretty confident about that", comes to mind).
Just the once. Kira's my suspect, anyway. You'll follow him if he flips scum.
Also, I can't say I'm 100% buying the capcom claim thus far. I'd rather see it though than no lynch for two straight days. :/
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Post by capcommaster on May 27, 2011 15:20:52 GMT -6
So you would rather lynch a townie than have no lynch at all your trying to say.
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Post by Captain Oblivious on May 27, 2011 15:40:37 GMT -6
I said I'd rather lynch you than no lynch at all.
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Post by capcommaster on May 27, 2011 15:53:15 GMT -6
And then what happens if I was town after all? It makes sense to lynch a townie when you could have gone for a more dangerous target?
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Post by kirawillwin on May 27, 2011 16:12:57 GMT -6
The point I was trying to make with my questions was: Vit could in fact have been defending capcom to get off an easy lynch in case she died. A few of you said you would not have voted capcom if Vit wans't revealed as mafia. which displays the point I was trying to make. As for my reaction to the death of the God father/doctor. It's rare for it to happen now the mafia has no ensured protection from deaths.
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Post by Captain Oblivious on May 27, 2011 16:17:02 GMT -6
"And then what happens if I was town after all? It makes sense to lynch a townie when you could have gone for a more dangerous target?"
What does that even mean? You know what, I don't believe the claim. Anything but CommonYoshi I would have believed. "No Result" even. Keeping my vote where it is.
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Post by kirawillwin on May 27, 2011 16:23:15 GMT -6
also @captain Oblivious: so you find me suspicious for using caps lock? not going to lie that just might be the funniest reason to be suspicious. I'm not saying I'm not suspicious, I see exactly what you mean with it not sounding genuine. @xx stone recently when I came back from being on a small mafia hiatus I decided to start using peoples names because it makes things a little more personal, it grabs that user's attention, and it makes it clear who I'm talking to.
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Post by Wave57 on May 27, 2011 16:51:43 GMT -6
unvote: Capcommaster For him probably being the Watcher.
Now, I look to Captain Oblivious.
Your reasons for Kira are extremely odd, even for me. His reaction to the godfather's death wasn't genuine? I see, well keep in mind most didn't really even react to it at all.
Then you stick with your vote on Capcommaster. You do realize he is a watcher right? Watchers are very hard to fake, especially this early in the game. Even still, I never, ever, got a suspicious vibe from Cap, it was just that he was the closest thing to a lead that I saw, until you came in.
Although, I haven't seen you play much, but you seem to be playing like you did in SSBB mafia.
And with that vote: Captain Oblivious
Also, I've been pretty busy lately plays, finals, concerts and such. I'll try to come in when I can.
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Post by Wave57 on May 27, 2011 16:52:26 GMT -6
Meant for the unvote to be blue.... Oh well.
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Post by capcommaster on May 27, 2011 17:03:21 GMT -6
"And then what happens if I was town after all? It makes sense to lynch a townie when you could have gone for a more dangerous target?" What does that even mean? You know what, I don't believe the claim. Anything but CommonYoshi I would have believed. "No Result" even. Keeping my vote where it is. I meant to say if i happened to be a townie after all it would just be a disapointing loss. Your acting like its not a problem to get me lynched. Whats wrong with my claim that your not believing it but others are? I would like a answer from you. For now Vote: Captainoblivious for acting strangely to my claim.
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Post by Meow on May 27, 2011 17:39:53 GMT -6
Watcher is an easily confirmed role. I doubt a mafiat would make up a watcher claim, so for now I believe Capcom.
Lots of people are sticking out to me, but there's absolutely no way for me to tell whether they're an over-helpful townie or an evil mafiat.
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Post by Erniewan on May 27, 2011 18:04:03 GMT -6
I agree with CaptainOblivious on this one. The fact that Capcom cited Commonyoshi in his action is really quite the cop-out since common can't confirm it (and it seems the way a new mafiat would think). And though I agree that Watcher is a provable claim, he could just pull out some more "no results" or "dead results". Master Jiggywiggy seems to be a fairly main role (considering the size of the game) but we have to remember that Common was janitored so the mafia have a spare role. I guess I might be willing to let him live another day and see if he comes up with anything, but things like this usually end in a No Lynch. Did anyone target Squeege last night? That would be a good counterproof.
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Post by Captain Oblivious on May 27, 2011 18:31:45 GMT -6
Watcher is difficult to fake, yes, but if you janitor somebody and what you get is "Master Jiggywiggy, Watcher" then you'd would have to work with that. If you're going to fake it, saying you saw the only person we'll never know if they can even target at all, is a good place to start. Admittedly, I should back off and let him go a couple of days and see how his watches play out (including what Squeege has to say about it today), since if he's not a watcher, he'll either get caught eventually or his actions continue to be suspiciously unprovable.
There's just something about his posts that speaks to me in a way that I can't understand or describe, and it's frustrating to me to not know why I feel so strongly that this person is mafia. I mean, it's things like "I'm being completely honest" that do it for me. Well I should hope so? Why would you feel the need to say this?! Gah!
"Did anyone target Squeege last night? That would be a good counterproof." Not necessarily. We'd need to know if Capcom gets more than one result if his target is targeted by multiple people, first. I don't know how watchers usually work, but I could swear I've seen it where you only get one result?
*sigh* I need to get some sleep. I've seriously been awake for like 20 hours. I'll be back for more tomorrow.
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Post by Worthy Protoplasm on May 27, 2011 20:20:39 GMT -6
Watcher where you only get one result is kind of a ripoff imo. It's really just nerfing a role that really doesn't need to be nerfed, just give the mafia a ninja or something and call it a day.
The common thing really is a huge cop-out. On the other hand, this role should be easy to prove. I'll give him another day or two to come up with a decent result.
@wave: I don't think you can really try to metagame CO at this point, he's only played in one other game. Its hard to tell if this is just how CO plays or if its because he's mafia.
I might take a closer look at kira, maybe. Seems like it could use some follow-up.
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Post by capcommaster on May 27, 2011 20:44:30 GMT -6
I only wanted to mention my theory cause I thought it would help in some way. I wasnt sure who to target as it was only the first night. I just figured I could go with a gut feeling. Yeah my result isnt particularly helpful but I will try to watch someone that does get targeted. Im not promising any results right away though. Im hoping by chance that if i target someone and they get killed then we could find out who killed them. That would be decent enough.
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Post by Nyan Kat on May 27, 2011 21:50:32 GMT -6
I think you're grasping at straws, CO. And since part of what I wanted to post was my analysis of a mild suspicion of you (which has now grown...well, a lot), here goes.
So, regarding the soft claim. You actually do a similar thing to what half the town is calling capcom out for doing: "My main concern with a soft-claim by game is that there might not be a reasonable mix of characters from each of the two games" Then you provide a list, concluding: "There are too many minor characters to count, so I tried to thin it down to only the ones with real plot or game-play significance. It's worth noting that Banjo-Kazooie has a lot more minor characters since a lot of Banjo-Tooie's cast is made up of returning characters, and, as well, I think these recurring characters are more likely to appear in this game. I also separated out obvious mafia-aligned characters (though Klungo is debatable) since they could just lie about their original game.
After looking at the list of characters, I think that there would be too much of a skew towards people claiming to be from the original game for that soft-claim to be effective." BUT: "I'm in favour of a soft-claim" --- Did this throw ANYONE else off? Or is it just me? The only reason I'm bringing this up, by the way, is that others brought up the fact that capcom did it too. Otherwise, maybe I would have let it slide.
"First, his reaction to Grunthilda's death "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" contains WAY too many capital letters and exclamation marks to be genuine. Then there was role speculation that the death might have been Kazooie's fire eggs, which just didn't have a place in the discussion. Then he asked that weird question, "I'd like to ask everyone imagine we did not know vit was mafia, would everyone who is currently voting for capcom still vote for his lynch?". In general I feel his insistence on defending capcom hints that he knows something we don't." Illogical! Like wave said, that is the weirdest grounds for suspicion I've ever seen. And the role speculation thing? unhelpful, yes, but it's not like it was random and/or he was the only one doing it, if that makes sense. And I think, although this could be seen as only because I trust capcom too, but I think Kira proved his point with that "weird question."
"I said I'd rather lynch you than no lynch at all." To me, this just makes you sound desperate for a lynch to happen.
"I mean, it's things like "I'm being completely honest" that do it for me. Well I should hope so? Why would you feel the need to say this?! Gah!" Because he's new??? Because he's trying to defend himself?? Because if what you guys really want is to lynch a probable townie just so you can say something happened and if that's the case nothing he can do about it, as he said?
I know it's really late in the day, and I'm lucky to be on a computer right now, but with this recent development I feel that it's important for me to vote: captainoblivious ok time for me to buy my dad a drink or something, he's a rock star right now for letting me borrow this xD
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Post by Worthy Protoplasm on May 27, 2011 22:25:35 GMT -6
Well, to be fair, this is Day 2. The fact that a mafioso is dead doesn't mean that a lynch would be any less helpful - after all, lynches are a very good way for the town to gain information about the other players. Being lynch-happy isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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Post by Puppyduck on May 27, 2011 22:34:03 GMT -6
Vote: captainoblivious[/color]
Your suspicions of kira and XX Stone are completely illogical. You're saying if we don't think capcommaster is supicious, we should lynch people who defended him? That makes absolutely no sense.
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